rappers i'd see a tribe called quest, de la soul, artists that were using language to make the world theirs. and even today, because a lot of those my favorite hip-hoplbums, they came out when i was 11, when i was 10. so, i'm still going back and listening to them as a man and saying, picking out different metaphors, picking out different allusns, ying, "oh, that' what that eant." si mean, in many ways, i'm still learning from hip-hop. >> give me an example of an allusion or a metaphor that still resonates and informs your take on the world today. >> a tribe called quest has a song called "check the rhime." and in it q-tip, abstract, the rapper, he says, you know, you know, "if knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock." and as a kid, you understand, like, yes, go to scol, becau sool'impoant. but as an adult, you realize it's like, you know, no, perspective is important. and you know, critical thinking is important. and the ability to know what you don't know which is on the other side of the door, you know. you unlock one door and there's another door, but then that door opens to what you don't know. you have to learn all that before to get