or could they be trying to prevent mine order horace cooper is here, and judith brown deanis is here. you both for joining us. i want to get perch feeling about a person who would cheat in a voting booth. go around and vote for someone else tp drive and and vote numerously. or engage in planning that kind of thing. what is your visceral reaction, horace? >> that's outrageous behavior. what it does is disenfranchises voters. >> what do you think of those people who do that, the people who do that, just focus on that? >> those people are awful cheaters. >> and they don't exist. >> wait a minute, no, no, judith, first of all, that displeases me, of course they exist. what's your feeling toward them? >> well, that is wrong. no one wants to see anyone cheating. >>> what should we do? what should we do to a person like that? >> they should be prosecuted under the law. there are laws that already exist. >> el despise people like that. i know this goes on, it goes on in old-time politics, since the '50s since i know about. call up, see if you're voted, and then somebody does come and vote for