. >> i don't want to talk over or be disrespectful to horace cooper but only a few white people haves well. we are not here to debate or to not have a dialogue, but we have to have this conversation. it is unconscionable conversation most people are not willing to have and educate blacks and whites with different perspectives, different narratives that we have. so to have someone who is a representation of black people on your network. >> laura: scotty, i invited you on the show in good faith. to actually have a conversation. yet, you come on the show, and you kind of give a little backhand to horace cooper dehumanizing -- well, it's dehumanizing to call someone a token. dehumanizing. that is language, whether white, black, brown skinned or whatever you are, that is dehumanizing word. he is a human being with thoughts. maybe he disagrees with you. that is okay. i don't disagree that you disagree with him but you called him a token. >> you mean no disrespect? >> laura: i want you both to have time to talk. >> i would like to focus here on the facts. here are the facts. one of my museu

joining me to discuss all of this is horace cooper cochair a project 21 and author of "trump is makinglack america great again." also steve coursed his salem radio host. steve, it is christopher columbus, it is abraham lincoln, it is in elk and portland, oregon, that got lit on fire. i'm starting to get the sense that this isn't about the confederacy or racism. >> no, it sure isn't. unfortunately here in chicago we saw a dangerous dereliction of duty. this was really in edification by mayor lightfoot. she is unfortunately presiding over a city, my city which is devolving into chaos. last weekend we had 70 people shot in the city of chicago in the weekend began as you mentioned last friday, one week ago with a pitched battle at that statue between a lot of braid police officers facing off with a bunch of marxist malcontents. who wanted to inflict their will and terror that statue down. now the cops held their ground. they paid a heavy price for it. 18 of them went to the emergency room but they won that battle thankfully. and not just preserving and protecting the statue but more import

teach what he calls this racially divisive revisionist history to our kids is he correct well horace cooper is a senior fellow at the national center for public policy research and co-chair project 20 one's national advisory board and i can think of nobody better to discuss this and him horace welcome aboard sarah welcome back to the show let's start at the beginning what is project or the 69000 project for people who don't know anything about it. so the new york times said that they wanted to do a story commemorating the 400 year anniversary of the arrival of slaves in the united states and it was called 161000 and then they expanded it to be a series today there are school districts some 35 school districts in states all across america that are incorporating the ideas and thesis of this project now not withstanding it the original historians who are involved in fact checking the reports have indicated there are a number of in accuracies there are number of mis characterizations and in fact a host of organizations including the smithsonian have called out the 1619 project horrors so your o

i have to let horace cooper in this, scotty. horace, your reaction is july 4th not the holiday for black americans when they shouldn't take part in? >> this is peyton nonsense, firt of all black americans like white americans are overwhelmingly on the roads this weekend. we will be setting a record of the number of people getting together with their loved ones to celebrate. secondly, in 1776, there were thousands of free, black men who joined in the fight to help secure liberty and freedom. it is an absolute insult to the sacrifice of those sacrifices made to say that we were not quite free. some were free. some were not free. now, all are free. america has lived up to the model that it set up. this experiment has been remarkably successful, and this weekend is a time that we should all be coming together to celebrate that success. >> raymond: scotty, what is wrong with that? >> i don't even think horace even believes what he is having him so. let's give horace a history about black americans have this country. because he said 17

joining me horace cooper cochair of project 21 and author of "how trump is making black america great again." horace we don't yet know the motive, but this is a well known community figure in milwaukee who is a fascinate assassinatedn broad daylight and al sharpton and the rest of the game can't even pretend to care. >> this is just another example of how they jump to conclusions first and investigate later. the conclusion is, mr. trammell's life didn't matter. the conclusion is, there is never an instance of any violence attacked upon or brought up on people because of their political views. we, you and i, we don't know what the story is. we are open. but it is strange that a world of circumstances is different. an active supporter of bernie were biden, it would be shocking if this wasn't front page news. someone was holding a sign supporting a progressive or left-wing candidate, and now they are dead. that would be the sign and news we would hear continuously. >> laura: jussie smollett's story was believed immediately. that he was beaten up. the maga hat wearing thugs beat him up an

joining me now is horace cooper, a project 21 cochair and author of "how trump is making black america great again". also with me scottish mart, founder of "the smart foundation". thank you both for being here, scotty, you were supposed to speak at a forget the fourthnd event in atlanta. what do you intend to achieveuny doing this. i know youou are having health difficulties and may not be able to attend but what are these protest designed to do exactly?t >> these protests are designed to educate people and make sure we have a union amongst our self where we say forget the fourth. a lot of people like to strategically change s narrativs and make it a hate rhetoric about against the constitution and the flag and things like that and that's what it's not. but also to hold america accountable the same it provides liberty and justice for assault which we as black people don't feel we are getting in this country. so we go to celebrationsh like this, we voice our opinions because if you look at the history of the country which allows people to try to overlook, it has nothing that has been gr