horace mann was one of the leaders in massachusetts and help the development of the curriculum and in the 1830s when the states began establishing the tax supported public schools horace mann was instrumental in having the bible become part of the gillam and this resulted in teaching judeo-christiann values. talked about responsibility and virtuous citizenship and certainly man had had the view that the bible would have a good influence on people if it was used. it turns out to be part of our american history. >> host: let's hear from amber in lake charles, louisiana. amber, you are on the tv. >> caller: hello. how are you doing today? >> host: we are fine. make your comment or question, please. >> caller: can we talk a little bitt about [inaudible] >> host: james baldwin? thank you. a reminder to our viewers that if you're on a cell phone make sure to talk right into it. don't use the speaker. want to make sure we hear you clearly. >> guest: i'm afraid i don't have any good comments on that one. i would encourage probably reading some of the volumes out there on literature but i know