horowitz: -- mr. horowitz: yes. sen. graham: whatever league -- whatever illegal surveillance means, they did it. basis afterlegal the january 2017 data dump by the russian guy to believe that the dossier was reliable. they authored exculpatory information that would have further proven that carter page is not a russian agent. let me ask you very directly -- do you believe carter page is or ever was in agent of the russian government trying to do harm to his country? mr. horowitz: i'm going to refer to the evidence that we found. fbi at the end of these fisa's fountain for -- found no information to corroborate these. sen. graham: they continued to surveilled him. the people who continued getting warrants after they knew it was not legitimate had a bias that wreaked. how this thing was opened, i do not know. i respect your view that they may have been a -- there may have been a lawful predicate, but peter strzok was pushing this from day one. 80's ended gentlemen, we have a task at hand ear to make sure this never happen

horowitz: yes. the predicate here was the information the fbi got at the end of july from a friendly foreign government, that reflected a meeting that the friendly foreign government had with mr. papadopoulos in may. sen. feinstein: who was the friendly foreign government? mr. horowitz: we don't mention that in the report. sen. feinstein: is that classified? mr. horowitz: my understanding is still classified, but as i sit here i will only speak to the report. sen. feinstein: go ahead. mr. horowitz: and as i mentioned wasy statement, the comment that mr. papadopoulos had made a suggestion that there had been a suggestion to the trump campaign that the russian government could provide information that would be damaging to candidate clinton, and then-president obama. sen. feinstein: so your report states you didn't find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation played a role? mr. horowitz: that's correct. sen. feinstein: thank you. and you didn't find a "deep state

horowitz has does a disservice. john durham basically said horowitz doesn't know what he's talking about. i think we are looking at rough stuffed by mr. durham coming down the pike. that's what that was today. lou: we'll take that rough stuff with victoria and joe after these words. stay with us. lou: we are back with two of the country's leading attorneys, victoria toensing and joe digenova. i want to turn to john durham. his statement today on the i.g. report, quote, based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusion as to predication and how the fbi case was opened. it goes to the beginning and the fisa abuse. your thoughts. >> pretty state forward. god bless mr. durham. he told it like it was. there must have been heated conversations between him and the i.g. the last few months. lou: the purpose of making that statement? >> i think he had to get the message out. this could not be a

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horowitz. he wants to do a review. he wants to talk to all of the people involved. but instead, he's actually having to defend his entire agency as they're being called scum by the president. >> julia ainsley, our justice correspondent for us in our washington bureau, for that, geoff bennett, thank you both. joining me in new york on set, msnbc's chief legal correspondent, host of "the beat," ari melber. maya wiley, former civil prosecutor for the southern district of new york. claire mccaskill is a former democratic senator from missouri, also a former jackson county prosecutor. >> that's exactly right, kansas city. >> and frank furglussi, and in washington, d.c., chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney. a lot of former prosecutors here, putting people in jail. is anybody here to defend me. >> i'll defend you. >> thank you, maya. i appreciate that. this morning lindsey graham gave perhaps a preview of what we'll hear from him today on framing this hearing. this is this morning on cbs. oh, i'm to

horowitz and his staff. key line here. however, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the justice department. in other words, he's basically saying that horowitz had a very narrow purview with which he could work. our investigation has included developing information fromot other entities, both in the u.s. and outside the u.s. italy, great britain, australia, just comes to mind. based on the evidence collected today, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the inspector general that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to protection on how the fbi case was opened. well, what does mr. durham say? clearly, he is signaling theydu have found evidence of criminal conspiracy with the intent needed legally to warrant a prosecution. that statement there, coupled with attorney general barr's statements, coupled with that speech we told you about the attorney general gave, should send a shiver up the spine of each and every high-ranking off

horowitz.and i thought that was interesting not only is he saying he disagrees with the conclusion but also he has done more research and investigating mr. horowitz. i thought that was important. >> have we heard anything from the current director of the fbi on this report and potentially what changes he might make because of thehe findings. >> yes with the report it's fairly lengthy response from fbi director christopher wray and he's about a lot of reforms and that is also very key and one thing to report that found is how some of these errors happen or went unchecked was because the processes in the fbi also w were very weak, the process and procedure for doing things were almost as bad as anything else you can find. that's how these errors got away. one thing that is important and important for president trump and his allies, they been pointing the finger at jim comey, sally gates and people like that, but inspector general report cleared them of any wrongdoing saying that these mistakes we

horowitz telling lawmakers no one is of

we learned something about durham and horowitz. he said that the objection that durham had with predication. remember, john durham in violation of doj policy issued a statement to the policy saying i disagree on the issue of predication. today horowitz says that was durham saying the fbi should have opened a preliminary inquiry, not a full investigation. and ig found the fbi didn't even use techniques requiring a full investigation. they stayed within the boundaries of a pi. >> you say they moved the goal posts. i wonder if whether they've turned the goal posts into evidentiary russian nesting dolls. it started with witch hunt, bias. that didn't wash. inside that doll, this problem with warrants. that doesn't really wash because it doesn't touch donald trump and doesn't show any real problem. then inside there, now it's what you just said which again, i don't think most people can follow what you're saying, i say that respectfully. down to the tiniest russian nesting doll, the lawfully ordered investigation that is now approved by

yes, horowitz did. did you give them any information to question your conclusion that this was politically biased, not politically biased, and they said no. the only thing that durham raised was whether they should be a preliminary fbi investigation or a full fbi investigation, counterintelligence investigation at the start. and one last point which is that lalay he got into the question that was issued monday by the inspector general. and how many times does the attorney general, all of those are too tough on the fbi and are going back with it wasn't such terrible misconduct. and how many times has it happened with whether the fbi or attorney general said it, it's more misconduct than you are saying, this is the only one. in every other case the attorney general gives them something that they put on at the end of the report. it they went to a couple media events and poster of the report and poster the fbi. so there are two points here. fisa and the misconduct there or. you have mike lee coming up, and

. [♪] lou: good evening, everybody, inspector general michael horowitz today waxed poetic on the originsf the radical dimms and deep state efforts to bring down president trump. horowitz told the senate judiciary committee that the obama-era fbi opened the investigation on the trump campaign in the summer of 2016. and alexander downer suggested a suggestion that involved former campaign advisor george papadopoulos. was insinuated to the fbi, then may have been the fbi's idea all along. listen to the horowitz account. >> the fbi investigation that is the subject of this report crossfire hurricane was open july 31, 2016, days after the fbi received reporting from a friendly foreign government. the reporting stated in a may 2016 meeting with the friendly foreign government trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos suggested the trump team received some kind of a suggestion close quote from russia that could assist in the election process with the anonymous release of information during the cap pain that would be damaging to candidate clinton and then president obama. lou: can you imagine?

horowitz and his team at the inspector general's office. i think the country owes him a debt of gratitude and i look forward to hearing his testimony in detail about his findings. the first thing i would like to address is you have a statement by mr. the u.s. attorney in connecticut who is looking at potential criminal liability regarding this matter. attorney general barr and mr. horowitz. two of the views is that there was no lawful predicate to begin the investigation. mr. durham said he had more investigation than mr. horowitz. that's not my concern. three lawyers can reasonably disagree and i trust mr. horowitz to give his view. and if there was a predicate. the bar is really low and reasonable arctic can you lation is a low standard in law. let's assume it started out ok but didn't end ok. what i have seen in this report and i hope some of you will look, while there may be reasonable differenceses whether there was a lawful predicate, there will be no debate about how the system not only got off the rails but article criminal enterpri

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horowitz, the fbi and others, here's what we know. strzok, the front line supervisor, february 12th, 2016, oh, he's abysmal. i keep hoping the charade will end and people will just dump him. the problem then is that rubio will likely lose to cruz. i never quite made it and i ccat understand why they would not consider me a serious candidate. when was the last competitive ticket they offered? march 3rd, 2016, page, god trump is a loathsome human. strzok, oh, my god, he's an idiot. and newsrooms all over the country are nodding. this representatives the attitude of a lot of people in america and you can have that attitude. but you shouldn't be in the journalism business. you shouldn't be at the fbi. if you were in the military and you said anything like this about a commander in chief, you would be charged with a crime. remember the mccrystal debacle where they had a barroom discussion from a reporter from the rolling stone. what's the takeaway, don't go to a bar with a rolling stone reporter. they started talking about how they didn't

horowitz sitting in that seat.at he has come to tell us, we're not even hearing. >> as soon as we get a little more news from the hearing, senator feinstein giving the democrats' response, we'll cover some of that, as we covered some of graham. bob costa, i'm told, has been keeping in touch with his sources. bob, what are you hearing? >> talking to people close to president trump and white house advisers, they are watching this hearing. they know that the ig report, mueller report, entire impeachment inquiry has cast a shadow and now along with attorney general bar, republicans in congress fighting a political war against the department of justice and the fbi. questioning in sharp terms its own conduct. and that is setting up this entire 2020 battle, which many democrats and some republicans privately feel is muddying the water about these important institutions in the country. >> bob, because i have you and we're watching this, walk us through where lindsey graham fits in as a former political nemesis of donald tr

horowitz to give an honest view. let's assume for a moment there was a lawful predicate, the bar is low to open an investigation. reasonable articulation is a pretty low standard in the law. the point i want to make is let's assume for a moment it started out okay. it sure as hell didn't end okay. what i see in this report, and nobody's reported yet, i hope some of you will look, is that while there may be reasonable differences about whether or not there was a lawful predicate, i believe there will be no debate among reasonable-minded people, particularly lawyers, about how the system not only got off the rails, but in my view, became a criminal enterprise to defraud the fisa court, to deny american citizen carter page's constitutional rights, and to continue an operation against president trump as president of the united states that i think was fundamentally flawed and unlawful. these are statements i don't make lightly, and these are statements based on the findings of the report. unfortunately, at the department

horowitz. now, how the hell did this whole thing start? what got us here today? they open up a counterintelligence investigation in july. we know the russians are messing in our election. and it was the russians, ladies and gentlemen, who stole the democratic national committee emails, poe podest's emails, and screwed around with hillary clinton. it wasn't the ukrainians. it was the russians. and they're coming after us again. so to be concerned that the russians are messing with presidential campaigns was a legitimate concern. so if they looked around at the trump campaign and said, well, let's see if we can protect the trump campaign. carter page went to moscow a lot, made speeches. if you've ever met carter page, one thing you will not accuse him of is being james bond. this poor guy, papadopoulos, picked by sam clovis to be part of trump's national security team. this national security team was literally picked up off the street. if you've had a photo with donald trump, you spent more time

horowitz. you have three different views, or i guess two of the views is that there was no lawful predicate to begin the investigation. i think mr. durham said he had more investigation than mr. horowitz. that's not my concern. three lawyers can reasonably disagree and i trust mr. horowitz to give his view. let's assume for a moment there was a lawful predicate. the bar is low to open up a counterintelligence investigation and a reasonable articulation is a low standard in the law. the point i want to make is, let's assume for a moment it started out ok but didn't end ok. what i see in this report, and nobody has reported, i hope some of you will look, is that while there may be reasonable differenceses whether there was a lawful predicate, there will be no debate about how the system not only got off the rails but in my view, became the criminal enterprise to defraud and deny american citizen carter pages countries to channel rights -- carter page his constitutional rights. and continue an ope

horowitz. you have deep -- you have three different views, two of the views is that there was no lawful predicate to begin the investigation. i think mr. durham said he had more information that mr. horowitz at that is not my concern right now. three lawyers can reasonably disagree and i trust mr. horowitz to give an honest view. let's assume for a moment that .here was a lawful predicate the bar is low to open a counterintelligence investigation and reasonable articulation is a pretty low standard in the law. the point i want to make his let's assume for a moment it started out ok. it sure as hell did not and up ok. what i see in this report and no one has reported it yet, is while there may be reasonable differences about whether or not there was a lawful predicate, i believe there will be no debate among reasonable minded people, particularly lawyers come about how the system not only got off view,ils but, in my became a criminal enterprise to defraud the fisa court, deny american citizen ca

horowitz: correct. sen. cornyn: on the pfizer reform issue, one thing that is interesting year, he has introduced a bill that i am cosponsoring that would give the office in this circumstance the authority to investigate attorneys in the department. right now, that is not allowed under the law. mr. horowitz: it is not. thank you for cosponsoring. sen. durbin: do you know what the theory is behind them being separate? mr. horowitz: this is a legacy of history when they were created. the compromise was that attorneys would be carved out. that we would have the jurisdiction of everybody else. , theythe spy scandal changed that and gave us authority. attorneys, we are the only ig that can review conduct of all the employees in our organization. sen. durbin: attorney ashcroft was authorized? mr. horowitz: as it then existed, he had the authority to do that. the exchange took that away. sen. durbin: thank you for your service. >> just 30 seconds here. has anybody been charged with working with the russians illegal

their message was what was debunked bys horowitz. their message was that it was a deep state conspiracy and an unlawful opening, an unlawful predication for the investigation. is anyone inr that white house able to go to the president and twist him to what is true? or is that not even on the agenda anymore? >> well, i think the thing you're seeing here with the i.g. report, and all the way back to mueller is a lot of these issues and drip, drip, drips of information that come out. they have, as a lot of people in the white house republicans on capitol hill put it to me, a little bit of something for everyone. and sofo you can sort of cherry-pick whatever side you areer on. the bits and pieces that help you make your case and help you make the pitch that your reality, even though it may not be based in fact, is the predominant, prevailing reality. and we saw that with the president in the mueller report. we are seeing that with the president now andee his handlin of what the i.g.'s findings actually are. and, again, we are seeing that

we've got horowitz up there, big hearing. if they didn't even run -- she's the head of the committee. they refused to run it. >> doesn't that tell you everything you need to know about the media? >> laura: they ran some of it at msnbc, to be fair. >> very little. they were working on impeachment all day long, i did undercuts the nonsense they have been spewing the last two years, so why would you -- i mean, that is how dishonest these people are. that is how dishonest these people are. horowitz had some pretty damning testimony today. i think americans are seeing it for what it is, take him he's going to win this thing again, you watch. >> laura: michael bloomberg, i know you know him, how well do you know him? >> a little bit. >> laura: these billionaires hang around together. he is pouring a lot of money into some of these house races, going to put $10 million into these races that democrats, i guess, feel somewhat vulnerable. >> put a couple hundred million dollars into his race, because he is not doing well. >> laura: are

horowitz. steve: when the horowitz report came out on monday. saw the headlines there was no political bias at the fbi. the republicans have been barking up the wrong tree for a while. what my o my have the tides have turned. members of the media now admitting fbi made some problematic mistakes. watch. >> let's be crystal clear here, the ig did find some alarming instances of fbi misconduct. this part was damning. why were you misleading the foreign intelligence. why was that not reported up the chain of command. that is legitimate beef that strike. >> there were very clear mistakes made by the fbi and a particular point egregious altering of a document to not inform the court and to not inform others that carter page was actually also at times a confidential source of the cia. steve: that information was changed by an fbi lawyer to make it look like he wasn't but he was. ainsley: exactly. there were so many mistakes. horowitz said these were basic errors. if these investigators are so experienced, why are these type of mistakes being made? thin

durham come on michael horowitz, can file criminal charges. bret? >> bret: david, thank you. more on this from congressman john ratcliffe and a bit. first, democrats say the evidence is clear that the president abused his power and obstructed congress in the investigation. republicans contend the process is purely political. the two sites engaged in open political warfare today in a second justice committee hearing, judiciary hearing, on impeachment. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has highlights from today's session. >> where is adam? where is adam? it is his report! name. mr. goldman, you are a great attorney, but you are not adam schiff and you don't wear a thin. >> lawmakers spent the day asking staff members about german adam schiff's report. democratic counsel suggested president trump committed an impeachment trifecta. >> abuse of power, betrayal of the national interest, corruption of elections. what is so extraordinary is a conduct we will be talking about today of president trump did not violate one of these, but all three. >> texas republican louie g

he has a much wider scope than horowitz had. this is why he has been traveling overseas and traveled to italy to speak with italian intelligence officials as well as to london. he has a much wider scope.to he is able to subpoena more documents and able to subpoena people to come in to testify.o and able to impanel a the grand jury. obviously, john durham has found something so significant that it shifted from an administrative review to an actual criminal probe. this is what is so important here. horowitz is going to have a devastating report. and this is the reason why, sean, people like lisa page, former fbi lawyer, kevin kleinsmith as well, as well as people like peter strzok, james comey, john brennan, and others have come out of the woodwork now, because they are trying to change the narrative. what they are trying to do is control the narrative, because they know within a week, we, the public are going to see this report and it is going to be extremely damning. >> sean: all right, sara, thank you very much for that report.

guest: there is no explanation nor is there an explanation from michael horowitz who spent 18 months on this investigation and he says he could find no direct evidence of bias, but also could not find another explanation to account for why these top agents, these high-level fbi officials, everybody in this investigation could make this many mistakes and this level of serious mistakes and that is very concerning and he even points out you have three handpicked teens of the top agents reporting to some of the highest level supervisors in an investigation, they know they would be scrutinized and at best, this was extraordinarily sloppy and that is the best you can probably say. host: the name christopher steele comes up very often. what did the report have to summarize about his actions? guest: it found his work was unreliable, he had a history of knew unreliable, the fbi his work was unreliable, they had evidence it was unreliable and they kept that from the fisa court, which they are required to submit all kinds of evidence that may contradict -- contradict or run counter to the evide

what he wants to hear from horowitz.ohn ratcliffe and trey gowdy on and the road ahead on john durham's criminal investigation. michael mukasey and kim strassel of "the wall street journal." one of targets of unlawful spying, george papadopoulos joins us with his account what went down. all that ahead on "sunday morning futures." ♪ maria: all that coming up. breaking news this morning on trade. the trump administration kicks off a landmark week on a vote on u.s. mexico trade agreement. after reaching a phase one trade deal with china. joining me on impact of all of this, white house economic advisor larry kudlow. wonderful to see you this morning. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, maria. maria: you're going into a big week. i understand tuesday will be a vote on spending. wednesday will be a impeachment vote and thursday the vote on usmca. how important was that agreement on usmca and are you expecting it to come to the floor on thursday for that vote? >> well i guess that is the schedule. if it comes to the floor as

horowitz. you are anything but vindicated, that's just your latest life. -- lie. by the way, take a look. >> the former fbi director said this week, is not a fair assessment of your report? >> the activities that we've seen here hasn't touched anybody. >> so when fisa speaks about it you should listen. >> you should listen to mr. horowitz. he's not vindicated and to be concerned about the fisa warrant process is not nonsense. >> no one is you just heard is vindicated in the report. wrong the again. comey. 17 significant failures and accuracies and omissions, every single one bolstered by the application for a warrant. oh, two back door one step, to step to spy the trump campaign. it ends up being a single source material, circular reporting, zero verification as the dirty clinton bought and paid for russian dossier was unverifiable. where did you all hear this? it wasn't the cnn or abc cbs or "new york times" or "washington post." no, it was right here. there was no corroboration, forged eviden

barr questioning how horowitz could find no documentary or testimonial evidence of political bias and well almost two years of investigation. in the fbi e probe of the 2016 trump campaign. these irregularity and admission who are not satisfactorily explained and i think that inner ifs bad faith. he said is people gave me an explanation and i didn't find anything to contradict it so i don't have a basis for saying that there was improper motive. but he hasn't decided the issue of improper the moteive. have you? >> no. >> and the the attorney general also saying he thinks that 2016 trump campaign was are you ready? spied upon. >> clearly spied upon. that's what electronics surveillance is. i think wiring people up to go in and talk to people and make recordings of their conversation is spy. i think our nation was turned on its hid for three years. i think -- based on a completely bogus narrative that was largely fanned it and hyped by irresponsible press. the question really is, what was the agenda after the election that kept them prezzinging ahead after their case collapsed? >> and jo

you had kind of reported the horowitz report before horowitz.ut what was -- in your view, where does this leave the credibility of the steele dossier and the fusion gps attempts to start all this off? where does it leave them in terms of credibility? >> well, it's in shambles. there's two really big take-aways from this, paul. one is that that the fbi did wrong and we just heard the judge talk about the ways in which it was not truthful with the court. the other is the origins of some of this, in particular, the fisa warrants and that is this dossier. we know that christopher steele, he had terrible techniques. people who worked with him said he had poor or rash judgment and we find out that the source he got most of this from said that it was most of it was goss sip d hearsay and he never expected to be printed as facts. the whole thing was built on a pile of misinformation from the beginning. paul: jason, what about the horowitz claim that he had -- that the fbi had adequat add prn to start a probe in 2016. >> the claim is that the threshold i

horowitz knew. horowitz rejects the finding.ment that gives the president a talking point on the campaign trail to go from there to thugs which is where he was with the fbi. >> do you think that went against the president's narrative with what he said publicly. >> it's interesting. before this report was each released right, the a.g. had hired a separate investigatorive john durham to look into the investigation which the president would like to believe it's commitly politically motivated. it's a lot of wrongdoing. republicans have been hanging their hat on the durham report. this is what conservatives have been focused on. do you think this is going to find something similar to what horowitz found? >> no. the durham report is a criminal investigation. we won't know until june. i don't think it will but the reasons have shown they never take no for an answer. even though the headline has sob no bias, it was well predicated. if you look at the republicans in the hearing this morning, they were really emphasizing the mistakes that

but did the horowitz go far enough?e know from the clinton email investigation and ig report he does a thorough investigation but turns to jelly when making the hard call. in this case, what he tries to do is dump on the workers of the fbi, which ig often do and let the executive level people escape dome escape. but the content of the report is terrifying. the abusive fisa i've ever seen and frankly the most serious abuse of the confidential human source program that been christopher steele since "whitey" bulger. john durham knows a lot about that. and he's come into this with a lot of experience with that. i think we are going to see some very, very impactful action and i underscore the word action from durham and barr on this. >> laura: i want to go to you. this is part of the ig report. the information known to the manager or supervisor's and senior officials should have resulted in questions being raised regarding the reliability and this steele reporting and the fisa applications but did not. >> look, i know a litt

thatr said last week horowitz is " a fiercely independent and superb investigator." shouldy general barr accept this fiercely independent and superb investigator's conclusions. chairman graham, earlier this year, wrote that " he has the utmost confidence in his integrity, fairness and impartiality." ought to notm question what he upheld last week, the integrity, fairness and impartiality of inspector general horowitz. the bottom line is clear -- by ig report, written someone who republicans repeatedly praised, embraced by the trump appointed fbi director, shows there is no bias for the presidents absurd claim that the investigation into his campaign was a hoax or a conspiracy against him. now this report comes at an important time. republicans on both sides of the capital have engaged in a new defense of the president, this time developed by vladimir putin, that ukraine, not prudent, and -- interfered in the 2016 elections. it doesn't matter that it has been debunked over and over by independent fact checkers and the media, by the mueller report, by testimony under o

horowitz said comey is not vindicated.e can write all the glowing op-eds he wants about himself in the "washington post" and anywhere else. what's your reaction to all this? >> horror. i don't think anyone who ever carried aback badge at the fbi or doj could read that report and not be totally appalled by the facts resnreeld there. i expected it to be bad, i didn't expect to be that bad. trish: they didn't ask the obvious question like who is paying christopher steele. if someone realized it was opposition research, maybe the fisa judge wouldn't have signed off on that warrant. ways your sense of the bias that -- what is your sense of the bias that went into all of this? >> the left and the mainstream media are playing a lot of word games to repeat this phrase no documentary or testimonial evidence of bias. it only means they didn't find a memo or 302 at fbi where they wrote we are doing this because we hate donald trump. trish: we did have the lisa and peter text. >> they found those texts and they drew surgical lines. i

horowitz was saying i do not know. he also says he's not ruling it out regarding the possibility of bison flew these decisions. john roberts is at the white house where shortly we will be hearing from the president of the united states. >> nothing from the president so far in terms of twitter or any kind of public statements. he did retreat a couple of items but no real thoughts other than singh's campaign was spied on. last night at a campaign rally in hershey, pennsylvania, the president unloading on the findings of the horowitz report. the president did sidestep the findings that horowitz did not see any evidence of a political bias. instead the president saying that the report detailed outrages and unprecedented abuses of power. listen to what he said. >> never happened before in the history of our country. we are really wise to it. we are wise to it. the inspector general found that the fbi's spying application contains 17 errors and omissions commonly known as lies and deceit, when the fbi uncovered evidence show

horowitz. here he is. >> it's unclear what the motivations were.one hand gross incompetence, negligence. on other hand intentionnalty. chris: gross negligence, or they intended to do it, intended to lie to the fisa court. you were in charge during a lot of this, sir. in fact you signed the fisa applications. >> sure. i think i signed at least two or three of them. he doesn't conclude that there was intentional misconduct by career special agents. chris: one of two things, he can't decide. gross negligence or it was intentional misconduct. that is what he said. >> i read his report. we are not concluding by intentional misconduct. chris: did you hear what he said here. >> i did. chris: he was asked specifically how do you explain it? gross negligence or intention faulty. >> he doesn't find intentionnalty. that doesn't make it any less important of the as director you are responsible for this. i was responsible for this. if i were still there, do what chris wray is doing. how did this happen and is it simmic, that is the scariest thought. chris: if y