the willieie horton ad, he wento the history of the apples of people interpreted the willie horton ad largely on whether youry liberal or conservative r republican or democrat. the people who defend george h. w. bush in that ad make the following argument. the furlough program was real and willie horton did go out on furlough program and he had been a murder and it did rape people afterward. what made the ad effective was not the race the willie horton, it was at the crime that was done. if he had been a white person that still would've been a legitimate go after. i understand the counter argument directly at wire was a campaign director. lee atwater had admitted republican party in the late 1960s or so-called southern strategy, they use racial codewords to do that, roger ailes was involved in in the campaign. i understand is what it had taken a trip but it's a different way. that was a kind of a dog whistle. i don't know because i don't know thet motivations of the people that ranat it. sometimes i don't even know my own motivations. even if you thought george h. w. bush was wrong, t

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horton raped and killed on a first-degree murderer furlough.d that -- the ad you've shown was put out by an independent committee. it was an early example of what we think of as independent expenditures. the campaign ad the bush campaign did was called the revolving door and had criminals coming in and out. president bush's view was that, a, we didn't put out the ad with the mug shot and, b, the furlough program was wrong. and i was right on that issue. and he held that view certainly the last time i talked to him about it was probably six, seven years ago. >> we see echoes of this, though, in what the trump campaign has been doing on immigration. >> yes. the effort to tap racial fears. if you are getting ethical advice from roger stone and he's telling you you're going too far, you're probably going too far. this does stand as a stain on george bush's many admirable things about george bush. but the willingness to first do the ad that showed both black and white prisoners going through the revolving door and then to have this group that was in

you said he had to overcome concerns that would lead to his own willie horton moment.can you explain what that means. >> willie horton was a convicted murderer who raped a woman while he was on furlough from prison back in the 1980s. he became the subject of this devastating attack ad against the democratic nominee in 1988, michael dukakis, who was the governor of the state that he was released and he attacked this woman. this all came to a head during a meeting in the oval office on september 5th when the president gathered with his son-in-law, jared kushner, van jones and kim kardashian west, who actually played a key role in terms of encouraging the president to move forward on this despite those concerns. she sought to replace the name of willie horton with the name of alice marie johnson, the 63-year-old woman who the president pardoned from her life sentence in prison for non-violent drug offenses. she told the president "alice is your legacy, mr. president." that's how she was able to get the president to start getting over this fear of willie horton. supporters

willie horton.iewed willie horton after the election in a prison where he resides in baltimore in the state penitentiary in maryland. lee atwater said to reporters, i'm going to make willie horton the most famous black man in america, because he had been released -- he had raped a woman in maryland and savaged her boyfriend. and they blamed governor dukakis' program. a program brought to massachusetts by a republican governor who took it from another republican governor, who was the first in the nation to have a weekend release program. that man's name was ronald reagan. and bush did -- i think what he did was, he didn't like it. if he didn't like it, he's the boss, cut it off. i hate to say it, but i think he wanted to be president and put it in their hands and sort of turned aside. >> and that ego, that desire to be president, there were dark stains, but then there were these core values that we look at that i think we all take pride in. so there's a kind of complicated nature there. >> well, we'r

who murdered a boy in a robbery stabbing him nineteen times despite a life sentence horton received ten weekend passes from prison or fled to kidnap a young couple stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend weekend prison passes to caucus on crime. that is considered really the standard when the politics and distance of hate begin to the united states well i mean appropriate for europeans yet the politics of hate was always present in the united states starting in the civil war and racism was always present but not as strong as it is today and that's the difference and this loss in civility that we saw particularly the nine hundred ninety s. newt gingrich for example you and i were talking earlier some of that has spilled over into europe now we we talk about the trump train coming into europe i mean how do you see it here in germany well of course that there are trends year and we should or should take them seriously but they are not by far not as strong as they are in the united states right now and that is to make still the major difference between here and there right

. >> sreenivasan: do you think that the willy horton ad against michael dukakis ushered in a new era. now, while that is still a bad ad, when you look tat now,t seems tame compared to what kind of ads are on the air every twao >> it seems tame now, but that was something that hinted at racial animosity. it was certain no means george bush's best moment. in later years, heot proud of it. best he could say was, "i make a differentation between campaigning and governing." in retrospect, he nev have allowed the ad. actually, the willy horton ad was an inependent ad, but there was an official ad that hinted at some of the same things. they should not have done that. >> sreenivasan, you know, we talk about the fact that there have only been twoamilies that had a father and son as president. but it's hard to uderstate enormous impact one family has had on american politics, going from george h.w george h.w. busd all the wan to his son and perhaps his grandkids. >> that's right. over 30 years, you had bushes at the center of presidential politics. and hari, maybe not only that period of time

c-span: why did you believe him when he said he didn't know about willie horton? horton? >> guest: i see no documentation that said h but sd and people like atwater in particular. this is not to alleviate any guilt in the situations. it does give a sense of the tone to go for the win. he wanted somebody else to do it. c-span: when ronald reagan was president, george bush as vice president wasn't invited to the quarters and had no time together except for the lunches they had is that a two-story and did you ask the president about that? >> guest: i never asked the president about that because the more interesting aspect would have been asking ronald reagan george bush didn't make it when reagan was president essentially nobody made it into the residence when reagan was president. the personal enigma he was gregarious and liked to spend time by himself with his wife. a typical evening was to eat tv dinners or at least a tv tray and watch old movies together. that is how they like to be. one could never get too close to ronald reagan. nobody that we could call a true friend.

subject of a 1988 devastating presidential campaign ad attacking michael dukakis over the fact that hortonfurlough from prison while dukakis was governor and ultimately raped a woman during the furlough and a devastating racially charged ad. one of the chief opponents of the measure talked to the president about willie horton and became concerned he could be saddled with a similar ad in 2020 if he went through with this measure but oval office meeting with kim kardashian and van jones, told them about alice johnson, the woman he pardoned from prison and eased the concerns and ultimately, he came to support this. pam? >> it's truly a remarkable story about how all of these different sides came together and how kim kardashian, van jones, republicans, everyone came together to make this happen. jeremy, thank you so much for that great reporting. >>> loretta lynch is getting grilled over the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails. details just ahead. from the first loving touch everything that touches your baby should be this comforting pampers swaddlers, the #1 choice of hospitals, is 2

one of the ugliest episodes the divisive and racist willie horton presidential campaign ad. "new yorker" editor david remnick worked as a russian correspondent for "the washington post" during the bush presidency. he joins me for a look at george bush's life and many contrast with the current president, donald trump. david remnick, welcome to the program. >> great to be here. >> david, you must have seen a lot of these but washington loves a good state funeral and today's was a good state funeral with the pomp and pageantry and all the living presidents, all the amazing heads of state, and people who dealt with george h.w. bush. what do you think this moment means, reflect a little bit on h.w.'s legacy. >> i think this is text and this is subtext in many ways, depending on who is looking at it. the text, the obvious thing is that a president has died, a major figure in recent american history has died, and the first wave of obituaries were, in my few, pageographic, they talked about, and legitimately in many cases about a sense of decency, a certain kind of character, a way

. >> reporter: captain shawn horton's tie even says "i am santa."'s happy to help saint nick. >> we do our best to make sure that no kid is disappointed on christmas morning. >> reporter: once horton's 767 lands, the packages make their way to those brown vans. ups calls them package cars. and to your door by christmas. if you make one teeny deadline. >> the last day is friday 2the 21st. ship something next day air and it will be delivered on christmas eve. don't wait. ship now. >> i know it looks empty right now. but that won't last. in fact, when this plane leaves washington pretty much every inch in here already full. 200,000-plus pounds of gifts. this plane is going to world port in louisville. it went be there long. soon as it's unloaded it will load back up and start making deliveries again. >>> archaeologists in egypt have made more than a dozen important scs ovdiieeaeris yth unearthed just last week. unlike the other finds this hidden resting place for an egyptian royal hadn't been looted. it was essentially untouched for more than 4,000 yea

that is where i would see the lawyer horton affair.t was something, his own campaign did not run the ads. for the people who do not know who that was, he was, well, he was a convict who walked away from massachusetts program. and this was a program that led to michael supported as go -- governor. he was linked to it. first by democrats in the primary states. the aspirations. later by people associated, who supported the bush campaign. in the campaign. they put ads on his picture. frightful looking fellow who became this iconic bad guy. therefore, he should be afraid of him. attackd not hesitate to the fellow program. he did not talk about bully horton specifically. the tv ads did. something that helped george time there ands 88 helped him to beat dukakis. . he did not help himself are much for being too unemotional to avoid the issue during a debate with bush. then, by the time the 92 he was a came along, different bush appeared a different set of people supporting him. including conservatives who were angry at him over the tax increas

people don't lose elections over infrastructure but people lose elections over willie horton.this was a much tougher thing to do. word about jared kushner. jared kushner played in-q-tel industry i called him last date and thanked him. he cares about this issue because his family experts. the first time ever met him ten minutes in the conversation he told me about his dad and visiting his father in prison, how he wanted to change the present experience in america. he did more to line up republicans and the right on this issue than anyone else. he deserves credit for. though i may disagree with his father-in-law from time to time, as you knows, i want to give credit where it is due. >> when you called last i can what did he say? >> he was relieved and happy and thanked me for making a few concessions along the way. the only way you keep a collect this movie is to listen to the other side and bargain and compromised back and forth. some people kind of attribute this some kind of dirty background dealing. it really is a question of respect that you have to get from one side to the

he famously ran on the willie horton ad and trump just ran an ad using the migrant situation which manychoed that. >> phil, the part that could get a bit difficult is what is already happening today, the inevitable comparisons between donald trump's approach to politics, to his demeanor, his world view versus that of president bush 41's. that is something that i think people are lauding bush 41 and his vast accomplishments in that regard. is that where things might get difficult for donald trump? >> i think so, alex. it was only a few months ago when senator john mccain passed away and there was a week-long period of mourning across the country for mccain, services and memorials and funerals for him, and a lot of that felt like a e repudiation of trumpism, of trump's combative politics. what we're seeing in the tributes of george h.w. bush is much of the same, the longing for what used to be in american politics, for the kind of presidency that bush had but more importantly for the kind of character he showed as a public servant throughout his life and as a leader of think country and a

no more willie horton attacks when both parties have embraced it.that gives everybody more room and more safety to come up with even better ideas like what symone was just talking about. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >>> a big surprise in court today when michael flynn's sentencing was postponed. we're going to take you inside today's testy hearing and get reaction from his former boss and the director of national intelligence, james clapper. we'll be right back. ♪ whoa! the mercedes-benz winter event is back and you won't want to stop for anything else. [ barks ] ho! lease the c 300 sport sedan for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. and just like you, the further into winter we go, the heavier i get. and while your pants struggle to support the heavier you, your roof struggles to support the heavier me. [laughter] whoo. [crash] and your cut-rate insurance might not pay for this. so get allstate, you could save money and be better protected from mayhem like me. mayhem is everywhere.

no more willie horton attacks when both parties have embraced it.that gives everybody more room and more safety to come up with even better ideas like what symone was just talking about. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >>> a big surprise in court today when michael flynn's sentencing was postponed. we're going to take you inside today's testy hearing and get reaction from his former boss and the director of national intelligence, james clapper. we'll be right back. opportunity is everywhere. like here. where you can explore the world knowing you can always find your way home. ♪ (honking) when your craving strikes, you need your wing nut. ( ♪ ) no one can totally satisfy a craving, quite like your wing nut. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you? for adults with moderately to severely active crohn's disease, stelara® works differently. studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections req

he would somewhat awkwardly go to things hike the willie horton campaign back in '88. the clarence thomas appointment and other moves that went farther to the right than he normally would have gone, but he did because he could see where the party was going to enough of a degree that he knew in order to succeed, he had to accommodate them. but he fell into that trap of promising no new taxes, but the prudent side told him we need new taxes in order to respond to the needs of negotiating a tax bill on capitol hill, and balancing the budget. he very courageously shifted direction on that, the tax increase came, but the right wing forgiven, newt gingrich and other conservatives rising up exacted their revenge. they did not support him with any particular vigor in '92. pat buchanan rose up and ran against him, ross perot ran against him. all of this weakened his presidency and his re-election chances collapsed. i think he was an important transitional president. he didn't run with the ideal that he was going to usher us out of the cold war. but that was what happened. it be

ce and this first step act are the antidote to the willie horton narrative.his is a turning point for the entire movement in the entire country. amy: if you could tell is, jessica come euro and story, how you got involved, your own husband in prison. old, i hads 22 years nothing but a ged and a two-month-old daughter. i found myself standing in a courtroom in georgia watching as sentenced to 15, served six. in my mind of the time, i thought it was a fluke. i knew he was a great dad. i knew he was a great husband. i knew he was a boss to 17 people and he showed up for work every morning on time. i knew what a great guy he was. and to watch the system take all of that away and watch us go into financial ruin and my daughter grow up without her dad there just because he had ejected action, and then watch -- drug addiction, and then watch in the state system not getting any help. that motivated me to get involved. i think those personal experiences have motivated everybody from jared kushner to sean hopwood to many of these advocates who have been out there fight

it had an ad that involved willie horton.h the campaigns had, and pecially an ad by that independent group, touched on cial fears, was divisive and exploitive and proviad for rougher type of politics we've seen since then. it seemed at many ways atdd with who george bush was, but he was also enormously c about everything. he wanted to win the office, sought the office in 1980 an again in 1988 and won it but won it in a tough way. >> susan page, peter roussel, chris buckley, thank you so much to all of you for being with us today. >> nawaz: and a reminder: we will have special live coverage of the funeral services for president george h.w. bush here in washington on wednesday, beginninat 10:00 a.m. eastern. >> nawaz: as we reported earlier, over the weekend president trump said his agreement in buenos aires with chinese president xi jinping was "an incredible deal... one that," he saidld go down as one of the largest" deals made-- if it goes through. but as nick schifrin reports, that's the big question: hat did china agree to

captain sean horton's tie even says "i am santa." he knows he's not, but he's happy to help old st. nick. >> we can supplement santa claus' delivery schedule. >> reporter: gifting touching down just in time for christmas. kris van cleave, cbs news, louisville, kentucky. >> ninan: up next, adance flash mob disrupted by cops takes an uplifting turn. >> ninan: intense clashes between police and yellow vest protesters erupted in paris for a sixth weekend in a row, despite sharply lower numbers. more than 100 people were arrested, but only seven were detained. the demonstrations began over a fuel tax hike, butck morphed into protests over cost of living concerns. jennie-o brand is recalling another 164,000 pounds of raw ground turkey in minnesota. the deadly salmonella outbreak continues to spread. there are now 216 reported cases of salmonella illness linked to raw turkey, and that's in 38 states. 84 people have been hospitalized. one person has died. the december recall comes after more than 91,000 pounds of raw ground turkey were recalled in wisconsin last month. a flash mob of dancer

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, he was a very tough competitor in 1988 campaign that i covere was a wicked campaign, the willie hortonds and all the rest. but i was so touched by his son, the president, the other president bush's eulogy and by jim barke the friend in houston that was terribly mg.ov robert: powerful moments. we'll remember those moments and we send our best to the bus family. thanks everybody for being here on a busy, busy friday night.at our conven will continue on the washington podcast. you can find that on our website fridays after 10:00 and on your favorite pod cast app. i'm robert costa. ave a great weekend. ♪ announcer: funding is provided by - financial services firm raymond james. newman's own foundation, donating all profits from newman's own food products tod charity a nourishing the common good. the ethics & excellence journal foundation and by koo and foundation. the corporation by public broadcasting and through contributions to yatr pbs n from viewers like you. thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accurac

this was made famous by the willie horton ad used against michael to caucus which had racial overtonesael dukakis, which had racial overtones and was seen as a divisive ploy by the republican party. it was hardball politics. his personal demeanor was a bit easternerand as the he carried on relationships with both his political opponents, as well as his allies. while personally gracious, he was ready to play hardball. after today's ceremony, waht hat does the week have in store? >> the capitol rotunda will be kept open all night through wednesday morning, before the placel, which will take at 11:00 on wednesday. it will include president trump and the former living presidents, and they will have a ceremony there. longll be eulogized by his advisor,nd and close james baker, and james simpson, a contemporary. remains will be taken back to texas, where he will be buried at the bush library at the college station. there will be two or three days of ceremony. pretty much all else in washington has come to a stop. there are no votes in capital. closed on will be wednesday. the supreme court h

bush was also called a racist for the willie horton ad.of journalists voted for george h.w. bush. the rest for bill clinton. you play someday clips there. the late night hosts were joking. i think still think it's a cl s classless. abc news terry is making jokes while you are watching the procession of the casket of george h.w. bush being taken out of a plane. he is making jokes about president trump's future funeral. do they have any self-awareness? nonewhatsoever. the media is held in contempt by half the country. i don't like these people. they don't have any class. they are cheesy. that don lemon skit. i will blow off donald trump by not shaking his hands. he is an anchor that network and not an opinion guy. >> sean: i said in the obama era, on radio more than television it would not be good for me to get an interview with president obama because i respect the office. i think he is a good father. just governed horribly. i respect the office. i can't interrupt him like you or joe. what do you think of that? >> sean,you are right. i serv

ship wreck, one is named elizabeth parsons, and she is the made from someone we know as mistress horton. both names are on the manifest, one is the servant, and begun is the mistress. they get on to the beach and survive, and they sleep it off and get up in the next morning and what does elizabeth parsons do? does she go back to being the made of her mistress, or is she looking out for herself? we don't know the answer to that specific question but in general we do know an awful lot. so let me take a step back for a second, and tell you about how the whole adventure was set up. as i said this is the third resupply of jamestown. it was also they were bringing the second charter. they saw how horrible things were messed up so they brought a new charter, the governor was with them, and the admiral. there are two ways you can invest. one way is to use money, ten and a half pounds would buy you a share in the company, and all the gentleman had bought at least one share and they also purchased another share by virtue of being on the ship itself. now all those commoners that i was talking abou

. >> caller: you did a good job of discussing the willie horton issue, and i'm also troubled by the lack of discussion on president bush legacy across his time as the cia director and vice presidentim a as well in ts of his support of school and the iran contra scandal and all that means for the instability on south america and how he contributed. i'm interested to see how you all will discuss that troubling aspect. >> guest: it is a long story. a lot of arguments i've been involved in in the larger cia policy and the role in the policy of thehe united states. a lot of it is i false history surrounding with the ci what tha lot of it is also factual and inaccurate they were involved in the overthrowing and assassination plots that are good for the, but i think if i'm not mistaken george h. w. bush is more remembered for his reform efforts and making the cia more transparent if you will which is a paradoxical word to use foror the cia but my sister-in-law over the years i know makes me sound like rush limbaugh by comparison on the political scale. but as i said you know, we do have a good

i mean, the person that told me the willie horton story was george h. w. bush.f the other peoples tell the strip release read stories about kitty dukakis. i am not proud of that. we ran operatives in our opponents campaign without their knowledge. it was a very brutal campaign. so the national media today, is portraying, this kinder and gentler, which go back. this modern president is a philistine, he is too crude. but this is modern presidency and to win, whether george h. w. bush or donald trump, you have to learn to win by branding and by counter punching. this is the new politics and it is not evil. it is new. >> and the time is unique. never have we seen any president as we are watching this president. not only by the national left-wing media, but by the elites of his own party, the globalist, power structure in the country. which is at least at the surface, you can see the business roundtable, the chamber of commerce, the koch brothers, wall street all attacking the president and his policies because people, if they just speak clearly, he is the one who is

one is elizabeth person and she is the maid of someone we know as mistress horton, they are both on the manifest. one is the servant and one is a mistress. what happened they do when they wake up they get onto the beach and survive and sleep it off and get up the next morning and what does elizabeth parsons do? does she go back to being the maid of her mistress or is she looking out for herself? we don't know the answer to that is a question but in general we do know an awful lot. let me take a step back for second and tell you about how this whole venture was set up. as i said this is the third resupply of jamestown and also bringing the second charter because for two years team -- the virginia company wrote an entire new charter that was getting brought to jamestown on the sea venture and the governor was with them and admiral was with them. two ways you can invest. [inaudible conversations] way use money, time and a half pounds would buy you a share in the company and all the gentleman in the shipwreck had bought one chair and purchased another share by virtue of the ship itself. all

i'll say that and people will say what about the willy horton or what about the george w.not saying they're perfect people. they're good people. they send notes, they ask how you're doing. friendships. it's true of all of them. we focus on now the departed, the late president h.w. bush and president george w. bush and they're just good people. >> an imperfect man who left behind a more you are tperfect . it was really striking to watch george w. today, he has had such a struggle, born to this family, born by this father and he was trying to walk in his foot steps. he went to yale and his father had been captain of the baseball team, first base and george w. turned out to be a cheerleader. his father was the youngest pilot shot down in the pacific in the war and he joined the national guard. it was not exactly heroic to be defending the great state of texas from the state of oklahoma. people sort of knew that. but that evolved over time. i think winning a second term was something his father had not done but also having his own progress over time. he was very controversial,

five and the word watergate was never mentioned in 1994, and i don't think you will hear about willy horton just a moment where the country will put the legacy of world war ii. >> yeah, and it's just so interesting, you are having a moment of history inside this building that spans decades and decades. david gregory, i was struck last night the picture of president trump and bush meeting at the blair house, and the bush family has gone out of their way to diffuse this because they don't want it to be part of that today. i am expecting all the presidents will rise to the occasion when they are there in the pew there. george w. bush became close to the clintons and their disaster relief, and i don't think the bush family wants any kind of distraction with president trump, and it's because george w. bush is more fiery than his mother, and i think they all wanted to make the most appropriate statement possible. for me, what i will be looking for is the focus on george w. bush. all of us, when we watch public figures, we see ourselves as a father and a son, and you understand struggling with you

we all know about wily horton, but he was once the campaign was over, he was a decent, decent person.k he really did set a good example. i have one little memory of my own. i covered congress at the time when he was the president. i didn't cover the white house but did i have the honor of sitting next to him at the radio and tv correspondent association's dinner. i was on the board then. he showed me a press pass, a fake press pass that the white house photographers had made him because they loved him so much and he was so affectionate with him that they made him an honorary white house photographer. i love that picture. >> i think the next few days are going to be an opportunity to reflect not just on him, not just on his four years in the white house, but really on these momentous events of our history. if you live 94 years, you really do cover a lot. and here you have the last president who served in world war ii to be president. the cold war just played an enormous role in his life and ending of it in his presidency. he lost in 1992 to a baby boomer, the first boomer to become pre

i mean, the person who told me the willie horton story was george h.w. bush.e, it was in your face. and we had to say, you know, it's better if you let other people tell that story. and we spread rumors about kitty dukakis. i'm not proud of that, and we ran, we ran operatives if in our opponents' campaigns without their knowledge. it was a very brutal campaign. so the national media today is portraying this was kinder, gentler, we should go back, this modern president, he's a philistine, he's too crude. but this is the modern presidency, and to win it -- whether you're george h.w. bush or donald trump -- you're going to have to learn how to win it by branding and by counterpunching. this is the new politics, and it's not evil, it's new. lou: yeah. and in this time, it's unique. never have we seen any president assailed as we are watching this president not only by the national left-wing media, but by the elites of his own party, the globalists, the power structure in this country which is at least at the surface you can see the business round table, the chambe

. >> remember, willie horton, that was george h.w. bush, so i don't say that in a bad way.i've been watching a lot of people on tv, and you can love donald trump for being anti-globalist and anti-internationalist and anti-big bank, and you can also love george h.w. bush for winning the cold war and defeating communism. >> i want to get a historical perspective on this. you think about the iconic funerals in american presidents. you go to lincoln and kennedy who were assassinated while in office. we remember the funerals of gerald ford and ronald reagan. how much of what we will see all over the next couple days is the same and how much is different? what's set and what's up to the families? >> what's the same is how w we n shrine our presidenting in marble. every year i would go to australia, i would ask who is your national heros, and i would name their first president and no, no, they didn't like any of them. this is sort of anglo and american that we celebrate these presidents, they're in marble and they can do no wrong. that's what seems to happen quickly when a preside

we have to bring up with willie horton. >> yeah. >> lily atwater and what it meant in the battle against dukakis. we know he was losing, then that ad started running. but at the same time, this is a guy who passed the american disabilities act, a guy who talked about the clean air act. he passed the clean air act. but the sense of what it meant to govern, his commitment to the country, we can disagree with the policies, but one thing we can't question it and that is his loyalty to the country. >> eddie, thank you very much joining me here in new york. i want to ask you to stick around, if you would. coming up, one of the greatest love stories in american history. how george and barbara bush's love story lasted 73 years and launched a political legacy. >> i have climbed the highest mountain in the world, but even that cannot hold a candle to being barbara's husband. mom used to tell me, now, george, don't whack ahead. little did she know -- >> oh. don't do that. >> little did she know what? >> i was only trying to keep up. with chantix. i tried cold turkey, i tried the patch. they didn't

would you like a tim horton doughnut? >> jimmy: long show. the doughnut mounties. >> jimmy: go away! leave the maple syrup? i'm very sorry. there are too many justins to keep track of. let's have a little shot of maple syrup to pay tribute. what, the cards you're worried about? a lot of justins to keep track of nowadays. that's nice. ♪ >> jimmy: that's very nice, actually. we're going to be like school children running around. how are you doing? are you canadian? >> my dad is half canadian. ♪ [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> jimmy: the bid is now over. it's done. we have a moose now too, huh? it's done. hey, he took -- never mind. >> how are you when justin bieber comes? >> jimmy: oh, he doesn't come. he doesn't care for me. if he does come, we'll have a big thing for him. >> jimmy: when is the last time you had maple syrup? >> 30 seconds ago. >> jimmy: there is sometimes confusion with justin trudeau and justin theroux. >> it doesn't happen in life. it happens in an online context or if someone is outraged that he slighted trump and then they'll

we were stopped on the floor of mcconnell,by mitch either by memories of willie horton or his caucus was split on the issue, he would not touch it. we were stuck. and then came a breakthrough i would never expect -- the election of donald trump as president. he brought his son in law to town, and his son has a passion for prison reform because of a family experience. he wasted no time getting involved and engaged in the effort. throughoutith him this whole endeavor. the net result of it last night is nothing short of a historic vote that really changes our outlook on our system of justice for the first time in decades. and it is a dramatic change. i think it reflects the fact that we realized that just getting muscular and tough in the war on drugs is not enough. we have to use our brains in terms of getting those who would supply drugs to our country, convincing those who would try this not to do it, and working in an honest, good faith way ddicts to turn their lives around. many of them languished in decades -- in prison for decades for an offense that did not involve violence or f

would you like a tim horton doughnut? >> jimmy: wrong show, keep moving.>> the doughnut mounties. >> jimmy: the doughnut mounties. >> bonjour monsieur trudeau! >> jimmy: go away! leave the maple syrup. >> a maple syrup lumberjack. >> jimmy: i'm very sorry. there are too many justins to keep track of. let's have a little shot of maple syrup to pay tribute. what, the carbs you're worried about here? there's a lot of justins to keep track of nowadays. >> mm, that's nice. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: that's very nice, actually. we're going to be like school children running around. how are you doing? are you canadian? >> my dad is half canadian. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: the bit is now over. the bit is done. yeah. oh, we got a moose now too, huh? all right. the bit is done, yes. hey, he took the -- never mind. >> how are you when justin bieber comes? >> jimmy: oh, he doesn't come. [ laughter ] he doesn't care for me. if he does come, we'll have a big thing for him. when's the last time you drank maple syrup? >> 30 seconds ago. >> jimmy: i happ