the ford foundation has helped to clean up some of the spirit and hosis. host: there is a map put together. it shows between 1961 and 1971 the u.s. trade nearly 20 million gallons of u.s. oranagent orang. much of it contained dioxin. the lingering health impact has made this the cost with impact in terms of veteran compensation. what has this done in vietnam? guest: a whole lot of money has been spent, and rightly so. in vietnam you can see increased incidence from birth defects and certain types of cancers. we went and visited centers where children or people in their 30's and 40's 44 not with birth defects, crippled, or what ever, and we looked at the long- term humanitarian impact that it had on humans. -- who were born with birth defects, crippled, or whatever, and we look at the long-term humanitarian impact that it had on humans. a lot of things could have been caused by beatie. you know there is a high year level of its where dioxin was present. -- you know there is a higher level of it where dioxin was present. once you get over to having a pen tha