no more hostagetaking. this has to stop.french -- this would really put in question his pledge that france will not negotiate. >> a bit of a semantic exercise their. maybe the french state doesn't pay but the french companies pay? andrew, this has gone for a lot of criticism. sometimes the amounts of money they are asking for are more than the entire defense budgets of the countries where they are being held. >> yes. it is certainly a major concern over the last several years as they begin to realize how much money they have potentially amassed over the years. money that allowed them to function, money that allowed them to pay bribes, to pay for goods and supplies and to help ingratiate themselves especially in northern mali but also more broadly within the region. >> one figure that had been making the rounds was that the hostage takers were asking for 90 million euros. >> 90. >> those were the figures that were bandied around. maybe this is an inflated figure, but you can see that it is a lot of money people are talking ab

minister of was met by well-wishers as he returned to his office in tripoli shortly after surviving a hostagetaking. he was kidnapped by members of -- he wasilitia after only held for a few hours, but it highlights the growing lawlessness in libya. the kidnapping was in apparent retaliation for a u.s. operation in which an al qaeda operative was captured on libyan soil. >> education is the only solution. >> her courage brought her worldwide fame. usafazaiold malala yo rov prize.d the sakha she was shot in the head last year by the taliban and verily -- barely survived read she was campaigning for women's education. despite the attack, she remains undaunted. the european parliament president called her one of the most remarkable people of the 21st century. in the united states, efforts to end the government shutdown and agree on a debt ceiling continue this week. on thursday, house republicans put forward a plan that would give a short-term debt limit increase and reopen the government. that would give congress time to agree on new spending cuts and a .udget the obama administration would avoid a de

. >> the special correspondent for the daily beast wrote that what is happening here is not hostagetakingit is political terrorism. your thoughts on that? >> that is the case. the democrats are offering to keep it going, they are not offering background checks for the mentally ill to get guns, but we tried. we are not attaching conditions. republicans are setting up something that if it were to prevail would really damage american politics for decades to come. democrats would try to do this and nothing would ever get on. the democrats have to stand firm, not just the party, but protecting this from being used in the future. >> let's talk about the future consequences that can weigh down the economy as a result of all of this. standard & poor's at the threat result downgraded our aaa ratings. i have a quote from forbes about what is going on and that the current impasse creates an atmosphere of uncertainty that could affect confidence, investment, and hiring in the u.s. and that this sort of political brinkmanship is the dominant reason why it is no longer a aaa. obviously they have no mor

. >> three years ago when this hostagetaking took place, it was at a compound for the workers. the french nuclear group areva and in the north of niger, very far from where people thought the jihadist were. you defend the families of one of those that were freed today. you say areva should have been more aware that this was this ability to move between borders. >> we presented mr. hollande -- there was time for relief. it is indescribable happiness for the family waiting. there is time to determine the responsibilities. that is why we broach an action for this investigation. >> to go this far to get hostages? >> it is a few months ago. yesterday, the coincidence or that the magistrates were appointed. to investigate and determine the liability of terrorist. and also know the truth about the measure. >> when you hear about michael at first, you say that areva did not take those kind of precautions? >> it seems that the authorities in place were weeak. now the investigation of who has those weakness -- >> the lawsuit still stands. we will see how things go in the days to come whe

he believes that the debt ceiling is not a place where there should be hostagetaking. my republican friends say that has been done before. when barack obama becomes professor obama, it is pretty good. he laid out this over the generations of time. this has never happened before. thanks, chuck, that is absolutely true. >> why were you able to agree to that standalone bill would you objected to the standalone bill today? >> by that time, we hadn't had all the silliness back and forth. we thought that would end it. >> talk about what senators are doing to reduce debt. you have new visual aids today. people can get into parks or federal office buildings. what are you doing? >> i expect to be here. we don't have to be here this weekend. all they have to do is have a vote. i have closed my nevada offices, which is so hard -- i have people here who are on furlough, a lot of people on furlough. one person -- they just had their third baby within the past few months. this is hard. another senator has a lot of caseworkers who make $27,000 a year. they are on furlough. i have red

have to work it through the political process, and that is not it has happened and now we have hostagetaking. senator john mccain tweets -- arguet op-ed the writers the budget drama roles onto the arctic the ball and dreary and with both sides split over increasingly small differences. how small is the gulf between republicans and democrats at? i think they are as small between the senate and democrat republicans and many of the house republicans, that there is a group in the house we are very far from. basically what that editorial is saying, cut our losses. we should never have went down this road. republican andhe then walked away. things like that. for folks watching at home, this is not tim riney and democrat, karl rove, john mccain -- all of these major republican figures that up to this point were considered tea party activists as well, and they are the ones saying it. they are pretty isolated in the system. host: next color on the line for democrats. caller. a question.ve i was not good at math in high school, but if we do not take on more of the debt, why is the world will go into m

that they are talking about this, this hostagetaking, it is just ridiculous.lorida, next, republican line, joe, good morning. my concern is that here we have another huge part of the government going to take over going tomy and we are have huge fraud in the system. just like there is fraud in the new disability system and in medicare. how they willsee be able to control it. they have not been able to control the fraud in any of their departments. host: your message to washington would be what? toler: why did we have generate this huge system? how they will be able to controlgetting 31 pe? was that not what they were trying to do originally act out correct? know the exact figures, but go ahead. have the am not sure i right price, but my understanding was that they would advertise on television to get people on this system, they are designing the system, my understanding, is just a computer-based program on it. all of this money they are spending on getting this system going is showing how much there is, hopefully getting 31 people on? trying toople as were get

so, we have only a few days -- we are already feeling the results of this hostagetaking by a few republicans in the house of representatives. i am praying and hoping that my colleagues in the senate will live up to the great hope of the senate. walk back from the ledge, reason together and find a way forward. i see my good friend from tennessee here and i think if there is anyone that can help us do that, he would be one that could along with senator mccain and senator graham and others who have been there, who understand how you can get wound up. it is important to wind down and figure this out. i will yield in a minute to the senator if he has a question but i do want to say because my argument is not with him, that when senators come to the floor to say that democrats haven't wanted to go along with the regular process, i want to again i came to the floor earlier as an appropriator. the first step in and appropriations process is to get a budget. the democrats amazingly were able to get a budget. we got a budget. two completely different approaches. how much money should be raised? it is

hostagetaking, murder, execution without due process.his independent investigation did not give a free pass to jihadist. the commission clearly i think the obama administration understands that the chemical agreement itself, seeksd as it is, always to soft the tent, the visible part of this iceberg. they want to move syria in the direction of political transition. somethingto move to that is actually civilized. course -- our first course is rapidly becoming somalia. the assad regime is consolidating itself in western syria. terrorists, some affiliated with al qaeda, have been planting themselves in the east. the administration is trying to jumpstart a diplomatic process. it will preempt this worst of all worlds and area. yet the obstacles are very daunting. if it develops this way, a solution would be to replace the assad regime with a governing body that would exercise full executive power in area for a. of time -- the word of time -- period of time. on theuld be negotiated basis of mutual and sent. in theparticipating exercise of full

guest: i hope one of the lessons is that we are not going to resort to hostagetaking to try to get ouray in the congress of the united states. that would have set a terrible precedent and taken us down the road of anarchy and chaos. no matter how ignoble or noble the cause. i think that is a key lesson. the other one is there is no getting around the fact that we need to work together across the aisle if we are going to get substantial legislation accomplished. and that means the process involves give and take. it cannot just be a set of demands that need to be met. i hope that is a lesson that sunk in, especially for some of the newer tea party members. host: do you think we will experience the same type of situations next year when these deadlines hit? guest: i really don't. of course, it could happen. i don't doubt there will be some brinkmanship. one of the lessons learned is that has very little political payoff, in fact, quite the opposite. it has real negative fallout. especially since both of the dates we approved last night get election year,, an i think most politicians, even

democrats want to call this hostagetaking.hen any side is trying to get work, it is all political leverage. certainly. there are laws on the books. what happens when congress fails to appropriate money to operate the government. there are long lists. week, i sawst mountains of paperwork showing what happened. parks are deemed nonessential. they are closed. hospital arehesda deemed essential and told to go to work. clerical employees are told you are not essential. do not go to work. there is no rhyme or reason. i agree with the caller. we need to get budgets passed. congress has had all year long to pass budgets. a need to pass budgets. has said he would sign a clean continuing resolution that had sequester numbers in it. the senate has said they would vote for a clean continuing resolution that had sequester cuts in it. house democrats have said they would support and vote for a clean resolution that had sequester cuts in it. i believe the speaker has to allow a vote on a clean up or down continuing resolution. talk about the

it's not government by hostagetaking.that creates a new dynamic which would he a first and i won't go back historically but in recent history of bad mistake for us to go down this road. the public is getting it and let me tell you 72% of the public says do not hold the affordable care will hostage. in terms of a shutdown. the american public -- that is who we answer to. this is not an inside the beltway process. we answer to the american people about what it is that government is able to do to provide opportunity. we don't do it all but we can provide opportunity. that is an historic potential of the congress. >> let's go to the audience. i think there are some microphones. there is a microphone over here and a microphone over there and a couple of hands in the middle. right there there's a hand. please identify yourself. >> good morning steve from -- first of all i admire your passion. asking a question about connecticut dean touted as a success. you can't drive through hartford without seeing signs from at night denied

they guest: we don't know specific instances, but for example, there is a fairly widely reported hostagetaking of a little boy in the south about a year ago, and they used a drone in that instance to sort of keep an eye in the sky on the area around that scene as they were working in that hostage situation. host: the bunker in alabama? guest: exactly. so, that is the type of scenario where they have been starting to deploy drones. one thing fbi officials admitted they don't really have a terrific legal framework to sort of explain the do's and don'ts. and what we say drones computer obviously unmanned, essentially eyes in the sky. these are things with cameras. they don't shoot anything or take any action other than taking a picture. but a lot of people still find it very alarming and worrisome, especially for the reason that there's not of what a lot of people would say is a real legal framework on how or when these things should be used. host: that story notes the fbi since 2006 has been more than 3 million dollars on unmanned aircraft. it goes on to note -- note and inspector general report

ceiling is the debt not a place where there should be hostagetaking. my republican friends say it has been done before. obama,ng about barack when he becomes professor, he gets pretty good. he laid out how this debt ceiling would work and it has never happened before. never. chuck, that is absolutely true. a stand-alone bill to pay the troops, why were you able to agree to that? all ofuse we had not had the silliness back and forth. we thought that would and it. it did not. your own offices to reduce staff. you have individual aides today. people can't get into federal office buildings. what are you doing and do you expect to be here this weekend? >> yes, i expect to be here this weekend. we do not have to be here. all we have to do is have the vote. have closed my i nevada offices. which is so hard. furlough.ple here on a lot of people. it is a shame. , they just had their third baby within the past few months. this is hard. he is home. i am sure i am, not violating confidence, she has a lot of caseworkers who make $27,000 a year. a number of for reas

he believes the debt ceiling is not a place where there should be hostagetaking. my republican friends said well, it's been done before. one thing about window rock obama becomes professor obama it's pretty good. we laid out pretty clearly how this debt ceiling works of generations of time and it's never ever happen before. never. so thanks, chuck. that's absolutely true. >> does a stand-alone bill to pay the troops can one be able to agree to that standalone to which objected to the stand-alone bill today? >> it has by that time we had met all the silliness back and forth in the house. we thought that would end it. it didn't. [inaudible] obviously you've gotten visual aid today. people can't get into parks and federal office buildings. what are you doing come and expect to be this weekend? >> the answer is yes, i expect to be this weekend, unless something happens to be. remember, we don't have to be this weekend. all they have to do is have a vote that senator schumer's chart up here. so now for my office i closed my nevada offices, which is really really so har

hostagetaking is a deplorable tactic.we don't pay ransoms in the form of denying health care to millions of people. that is wrong. it is time to shut down this shutdown, and put you back to work. we have to vote today. give us a vote. give us a vote. >> now look, everybody. ter orne here who has twit facebook or any kind of social toia, we want to take -- take pictures of this and raise this up across the entire united states. we are here in washington but we have to make noise in los angeles, san francisco, louisiana and mississippi, all over, everywhere. know, weo let people have to inspire people to fight back against the shutdown. we have to shut down the shutdown. and i want you to hear, right now, from someone who understands what it means to organize the people. has been at this quite a long time. chairman charlie wrangle. come on up here, charlie. >> i have never felt more proud to be an american than today. to see workers and their representatives, to see the congress really working to make certain that this cons