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we have sunny hostin there as well. holly hughes and on the phone with us is mark o'mara. sunny hostin was in the courtroom and said it was very tense in there. it was a packed courtroom. you saw the davis family and they looked distraught. take us inside the courtroom and also explain to us the instructions the judge gave the jury and the possible outcome for all of this. >> reporter: injury. i mean, the jury made it clear they have reached a verdict on four counts, but they were really dead locked on the first count. not only the first-degree murder count, but all the lesser includes. they went over manslaughter and still couldn't reach a consensus. when that happens, when a jury is dead locked, the united states supreme court in a case called u.s. vs. allen, a judge can instruct a jury to go back, try to reach a consensus and consider the opinions of your fellow jurors. that's exactly what this judge did. the charge was a bit different
we have sunny hostin there as well. holly hughes and on the phone with us is mark o'mara. sunny hostin was in the courtroom and said it was very tense in there. it was a packed courtroom. you saw the davis family and they looked distraught. take us inside the courtroom and also explain to us the instructions the judge gave the jury and the possible outcome for all of this. >> reporter: injury. i mean, the jury made it clear they have reached a verdict on four counts, but they were really...
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joey jackson and sunny hostin.hen you think about this, what they're essentially saying is -- >> effort for a real long time. and i think one of the reasons is, gay and lesbian and transgender people are not a protected class you said the constitution. under the constitution. they really haven't reached, i think, that status. although they should have reached that status. it's arguable that after doma passed perhaps a challenge will show that, yes, these people are protected and should be protected. but right now it's almost open season on those people. and it's just unbelievable to me. and let's face it. this is code for discrimination against gay, lesbian and transgender. >> by implication, that's what it means. >> you can walk in and they can say, no, i'm not going to serve you and you can't file a lawsuit against them. they say no, i'm protected under my religious beliefs. >> therein lies the problem. if you peel this back and look at the amendments in general, right? none of the amendments are absolute. if you
joey jackson and sunny hostin.hen you think about this, what they're essentially saying is -- >> effort for a real long time. and i think one of the reasons is, gay and lesbian and transgender people are not a protected class you said the constitution. under the constitution. they really haven't reached, i think, that status. although they should have reached that status. it's arguable that after doma passed perhaps a challenge will show that, yes, these people are protected and should be...
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correspondent martin savidge and legal analyst sunny hostin live in jacksonville. martin, begin with you. the jury asked questions. haven't heard a peep or anything since. correct? >> no, we have not, and we're waiting for anything. it's the questions that give insight how the deliberations may or may not be going. first question this morning, actually came roughly about a half hour into the deliberations. they wanted to know if they could clear the bulkier exhibits for more room to move around. then a three-part question that began to show this jury is grappling with the issue of self-defense or the justifiable use of deadly force. the question is broadly put, do they apply it in one's count or would it apply to all counts? here is judge russell healy talking about it. >> first question -- is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? the answer is, yes. second question -- are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? the answer is, yes. the third question -- or if we determine deadly force is justified
correspondent martin savidge and legal analyst sunny hostin live in jacksonville. martin, begin with you. the jury asked questions. haven't heard a peep or anything since. correct? >> no, we have not, and we're waiting for anything. it's the questions that give insight how the deliberations may or may not be going. first question this morning, actually came roughly about a half hour into the deliberations. they wanted to know if they could clear the bulkier exhibits for more room to move...
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i want to get now to elena machado and sunny hostin and martin savage who were down there inside of the courtroom. what did you see, sunmy? >> well, i was inside up to the reading of the verdict, and several of jordan davis' family's members were holding on to tissues before the verdict was read. it was a very, very intense situation, and everybody was quiet and looking at the judge. looking at the jury, and trying to figure out what was about to happen. and then the verdict was read and every time that the judge read the attempted or the attempted verdicts, jordan davis' mom, you could see her with the head down. michael dunn's father also had his head down, and once the verdicts were read, you could see everybody get up and from the jordan davis family, everybody got up, and you could see some of them were holding hands and hugging, and visibly, v visibly distraught, emotionally distraught as they were leaving the courtroom, don. >> thank you, alina machado, and sunny hostin has been covering this in the courtroom as well.
i want to get now to elena machado and sunny hostin and martin savage who were down there inside of the courtroom. what did you see, sunmy? >> well, i was inside up to the reading of the verdict, and several of jordan davis' family's members were holding on to tissues before the verdict was read. it was a very, very intense situation, and everybody was quiet and looking at the judge. looking at the jury, and trying to figure out what was about to happen. and then the verdict was read and...
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sunny hostin, jada watt and dr. daniel bover, what a pleasure to have you here to discuss something a lot of families are talking about today. >> thank you. >>> a break here at this hour. a new generation of bushes running for office. didn't barbara push herself say the candidate should come from other families. we'll discuss. [ male announcer ] she won't remember this, being carried in your arms... but after a morning spent in the caribbean, playing pirates with you in secret coves, an afternoon swimming with dolphins, finished with a movie watched against the setting sun... she won't exactly be short on memories. princess cruises, come back new. ♪ pto "you are here."man, come back new. "that life exists and identity." "that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse." "that the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse." what will your verse be? >>> we are what barbara bush said recently about having more bushes in public office that maybe it is time for other families to step up. >> if
sunny hostin, jada watt and dr. daniel bover, what a pleasure to have you here to discuss something a lot of families are talking about today. >> thank you. >>> a break here at this hour. a new generation of bushes running for office. didn't barbara push herself say the candidate should come from other families. we'll discuss. [ male announcer ] she won't remember this, being carried in your arms... but after a morning spent in the caribbean, playing pirates with you in secret...
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. >> let's talk more about this case with sunny hostin.ral prosecutor, she's in jacksonville, sunny is in the courtroom monitoring this trial. thanks for being with us. dunn claims he acted in self-defense. we just heard his fiancee give that emotional testimony where she detailed how even after seeing the report on the news about the shooting, that neither she nor dunn reported the shooting to the police. that doesn't seem to bode well for the defense. >> it really doesn't. this is a huge problem for the defense in this case, they sort of have been dancing around. let's face it, it is clear from the prosecution's case that michael dunn shot the car ten times, and after that, got into the car and drove away. after driving away, what did he do? he basically had some pizza, watched a movie. had a drink and went to sleep. that is going to be very difficult for the jury to overcome. what i've heard is that tomorrow they are going to call acute stress reaction expert. i've never heard of that kind of expert, my sense is, they are going to try t
. >> let's talk more about this case with sunny hostin.ral prosecutor, she's in jacksonville, sunny is in the courtroom monitoring this trial. thanks for being with us. dunn claims he acted in self-defense. we just heard his fiancee give that emotional testimony where she detailed how even after seeing the report on the news about the shooting, that neither she nor dunn reported the shooting to the police. that doesn't seem to bode well for the defense. >> it really doesn't. this is...
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joining us now from the courthouse in jacksonville, martin savidge and cnn legal analyst sunny hostinprosecutor. i want to talk about the items the jury wanted to see in just a moment. sunny, first let me ask you this. a day and a half, no verdict yet. i've heard you say, heard a lot of people say this should have been a very quick verdict. and a lot of people thought it would be a guilty verdict. as a prosecutor, what does this tell you now? if this were your case would you be nervous? >> well, i wouldn't be quite nervous yet. because remember, this is a first degree murder case. there are five counts. 41 pages of jury instructions. this jury certainly has a lot to do. but this is a very strong case by the prosecution. if you go back to the zimmerman case, the jury deliberated for over 16 hours for two days. this jury is not there yet. this jury has been out for about ten hours. but i agree the question on everyone's mind, what is taking them so long? but you've got to remember, michael dunn did take the witness stand. and i sort of think that what they're doing is taking apart his t
joining us now from the courthouse in jacksonville, martin savidge and cnn legal analyst sunny hostinprosecutor. i want to talk about the items the jury wanted to see in just a moment. sunny, first let me ask you this. a day and a half, no verdict yet. i've heard you say, heard a lot of people say this should have been a very quick verdict. and a lot of people thought it would be a guilty verdict. as a prosecutor, what does this tell you now? if this were your case would you be nervous?...
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sunny hostin. thank you for that.o, since you just mentioned the fact there are several of these jurors with a medical background, i want to play for you something that the medical examiner said this morning in testimony. her name is stacy simons, and is she spoke specifically about the fatal gunshot. for some jurors, that can bring you to tears when you're talking about a 17-year-old. for others, it's very clinical. have a listen. >> over here, it perforated the right lung. and continued on behind the heart, and in front of the spinal column to perforate the aorta. the aorta is the large artery that carries all the blood from the heart to the body. >> with this bullet going through jordan davis' body at the angle you have just explained to this jury, damaging all of the internal portions of his body that you have just explained, have been fatal all by itself to jordan davis? >> yes, it would. >> easy for a medical examiner to speak so clinically about something so devastating. i mean, we're talking about a kid dying.
sunny hostin. thank you for that.o, since you just mentioned the fact there are several of these jurors with a medical background, i want to play for you something that the medical examiner said this morning in testimony. her name is stacy simons, and is she spoke specifically about the fatal gunshot. for some jurors, that can bring you to tears when you're talking about a 17-year-old. for others, it's very clinical. have a listen. >> over here, it perforated the right lung. and continued...
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well you know primarily i want saatchi to do a very good job hostin the olympics. and as far as the gambling areas concerned. i would say tsotsi is more focused on sports and healthy lifestyle than gambling. but be that as it may at this point it would be premature to talk about what me happened afterwards but we can think about it later i understand but still there are a lot of questions of what's going to happen after works and is there a risk that so she will have the same future etc you have one athens where olympic venues are hardly used by anyone and they're actually a burden on the city budget. is that. you know what it's. all the venues have been designed is small type purpose once. for instance the saatchi media center where your colleagues know work but will be converted into a shopping mall. and the nearby skating center will become an exhibition hall later this year but i'm. i guess hotels are wondering whether they were going to have an of guests after the games but i would see of course there will be a lot of guests but it. is because. we have a touri
well you know primarily i want saatchi to do a very good job hostin the olympics. and as far as the gambling areas concerned. i would say tsotsi is more focused on sports and healthy lifestyle than gambling. but be that as it may at this point it would be premature to talk about what me happened afterwards but we can think about it later i understand but still there are a lot of questions of what's going to happen after works and is there a risk that so she will have the same future etc you...
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. >> cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin joins me now. sunny, good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> what do you make of this juror's comment. >> it's interesting. i satin courtroom and i remember looking at that juror. she was right in the front row, she was number four. it sort of confirmed i think what we thought from their jury questions, oftentimes it's like reading tea leaves. we were right on in the sense it was clear they were struggling with the issue of self-defense as to jordan davis but not as to the attempted murders. i think the prosecution had a strong case and it was clear he crossed the line certainly when the car was driving away and he continued shooting and i think it's really interesting that we're not even talking about four murders because those other bullets came really, really close to killing the other boys. i think what's also interesting in that interview and i know we didn't play this clip is most of the jurors wanted to convict him of first degree murder but some of the jurors bought the self-defense claim
. >> cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hostin joins me now. sunny, good morning. >> good morning, carol. >> what do you make of this juror's comment. >> it's interesting. i satin courtroom and i remember looking at that juror. she was right in the front row, she was number four. it sort of confirmed i think what we thought from their jury questions, oftentimes it's like reading tea leaves. we were right on in the sense it was clear they were...
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sunny hostin was there. this is a stunning turn. you were inside the courtroom.reporter: i will say that when the jury came back in, don, they looked exhausted. they looked frustrated, very frustrated. when the judge gave them the alan charge, which essentially is a pep talk, this charge was different than the ones i used to get when i was a prosecutor. he basically told them to go back and go around the room and for each person to explain the weakness in their own position. that was a very interesting charge. as the judge was explaining this to them, there were several of them that looked down, nodding their heads. some up and down, some back and forth. i also had the opportunity to just look at the davis family. they were heads bowed, holding each other. they looked pretty upset when they learned it was count 1, the count related to their child's death that the jury was hung on. while they seem to be optimistic, they looked very, very concerned. i also had the opportunity to see that the government, the prosecutors were walking away with the davis family. it se
sunny hostin was there. this is a stunning turn. you were inside the courtroom.reporter: i will say that when the jury came back in, don, they looked exhausted. they looked frustrated, very frustrated. when the judge gave them the alan charge, which essentially is a pep talk, this charge was different than the ones i used to get when i was a prosecutor. he basically told them to go back and go around the room and for each person to explain the weakness in their own position. that was a very...
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let's bring in our legal justice analysts, sunny hostin a former federal prosecutor was inside the courtroomacksonville today and mark geragos a criminal defense attorney. sunny, the defense saying it was sloppy police work they didn't secure the crime scene. but dunn didn't call police until or didn't admit what he had done publicly until the next day. it wasn't as if the police were on scene right after the shooting. >> well, that's right. i mean, it was really an interesting argument that he tried to make, saying that the police never searched dumpsters, never searched the grounds for this alleged shotgun. in john guy's closing argument, rebuttal argument which i thought was absolutely brilliant, he pointed out that the only reason that police didn't search the grounds is because they didn't know michael dunn's story until days later. he never called the police, anderson. actually the police looked for him. >> and mark, do you agree with that? this was kind of a red herring by the defense? >> no, not at all. clearly they knew something had happened. i agree that probably the worst fact fo
let's bring in our legal justice analysts, sunny hostin a former federal prosecutor was inside the courtroomacksonville today and mark geragos a criminal defense attorney. sunny, the defense saying it was sloppy police work they didn't secure the crime scene. but dunn didn't call police until or didn't admit what he had done publicly until the next day. it wasn't as if the police were on scene right after the shooting. >> well, that's right. i mean, it was really an interesting argument...
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sunny hostin, let's talk about this. what do you think of these claims? also there has to be a statute of limitations. we are talking later. >> it's true that something like this would have run. it's something that i argued against for sometime. when i think of child sex abuse, i don't know that there should be a statute of limitations. having prosecute and interviewed many child victims, i do find her story credible in that she describe this is grooming that we often hear of from child victims. he used to put his in her mouth and put his head in her nap while naked and get into bed with her in his underwent wear. when you hear that description, that sounds like we heard a lot about the sandusky case. to say that these are incredible stories, i don't know. it seems to be a classic case of grooming and sexual abuse. i found her letter to be brave and courageous and credible. >> on the flip side, you have the woody allen camp that could be. they sue for defamation. is that possible? >> it is possible, but it would be ill-advised. especially because part of
sunny hostin, let's talk about this. what do you think of these claims? also there has to be a statute of limitations. we are talking later. >> it's true that something like this would have run. it's something that i argued against for sometime. when i think of child sex abuse, i don't know that there should be a statute of limitations. having prosecute and interviewed many child victims, i do find her story credible in that she describe this is grooming that we often hear of from child...
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also with us is sunny hostin. good to have you both.your contention is that mia farrow, angry over the situation between woody allen and her adopted daughter implanted this idea? >> it's not my contention as much as it was the finding of the sex abuse clinic. >> this was a six-month investigation? >> six-month investigation that was referred by the connecticut state authorities. >> once the initial allegations -- >> once the initial allegations were made by mia farrow. the connecticut authorities did the right thing. they referred it to the new haven sex abuse clinic, which is the leading agency of its kind. they conducted a six-month investigation. they concluded that the molestation did not occur, period. so it's not my contention, it's what they found. they found after woody allen took a lie detector test, they interviewed everybody, including woody allen, and they determined it didn't happen. they also determined that the story was coached by mia farrow, and that's one of the reasons they found the story to be incredible. >> the jud
also with us is sunny hostin. good to have you both.your contention is that mia farrow, angry over the situation between woody allen and her adopted daughter implanted this idea? >> it's not my contention as much as it was the finding of the sex abuse clinic. >> this was a six-month investigation? >> six-month investigation that was referred by the connecticut state authorities. >> once the initial allegations -- >> once the initial allegations were made by mia...
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. >> with me now, cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin. and here we have a young woman, lost her life. this guy even have? >> you know, believe it or not, i think there is the potential for a defense here. he clearly has shown remorse, though, saying he only meant to scare the kids, but the bottom line is while arkansas doesn't have a traditional stand your ground law, brooke, i've learned that they have sort of an expanded castle doctrine law, which means not only can you defend yourself and your property inside your home, you can also do it around the perimeter of your home. now, remember, these kids were outside of his home, but on the perimeter of his home, basically, you know, egging his property, his car. and so, under arkansas law, it is quite possible that he has a defense to first-degree murder. and that's why this kind of thing just infuriates me. brooke, you know you and i have been talking about this for years. it's about sort of not only stand your ground, but guns. and the protection of those two, just use them, stupidly, in a who uses a gun to scare kids? who does that?
. >> with me now, cnn legal analyst, sunny hostin. and here we have a young woman, lost her life. this guy even have? >> you know, believe it or not, i think there is the potential for a defense here. he clearly has shown remorse, though, saying he only meant to scare the kids, but the bottom line is while arkansas doesn't have a traditional stand your ground law, brooke, i've learned that they have sort of an expanded castle doctrine law, which means not only can you defend...
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cnn legal analyst sunny hostin joins me live from jacksonville to help me break it down. what could we read into the jury questions? when you hear the judge's explanation it sounds complicated and one can understand why the jurors have these kinds of questions. >> that's right. i think it's very clear from the questions that they are struggling with the concept of self-defense because that has been front and center here. michael dunn testified, which is very unusual in a first degree murder case. but he testified that he was in fear for his life and that is why he shot into that car ten times. he said that he saw a shotgun that jordan davis got out of the car brandishing one. the boys in the car said that is not true that he never got out of the car. it's clear from all of their questions, not just today's question and all of their questions but the questions seem to indicate they're struggling with self-defense. i think what is very interesting is if you read the questions today and the questions yesterday, it's pretty clear they may have reached a consensus as to the at
cnn legal analyst sunny hostin joins me live from jacksonville to help me break it down. what could we read into the jury questions? when you hear the judge's explanation it sounds complicated and one can understand why the jurors have these kinds of questions. >> that's right. i think it's very clear from the questions that they are struggling with the concept of self-defense because that has been front and center here. michael dunn testified, which is very unusual in a first degree...
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i want to bring in sunny hostin and don lemon. don was angry when he heard the verdict. jeffrey toobin, and mark o'mara. >> jeff you had a simple reaction to this verdict. >> yeah, this was a case about a kid killed because he was black. i mean, that's all this case was. >> well said. >> and i think that's why so many of us had such a horrified reaction to it. because there are interesting legal issues here and complexities, but there's no way he is killed if he is white. he is just killed because he is black. and fortunately we don't see it that often in this society. but when we do, it's still very disturbing. >> and i think we need to take it a step further. he was killed because a white man perceived he must have a gun because he's black because he must be a thug. and i think that was what was so hurtful to me as the mother of a black child i now know when he is walk down the street rather than see the straight "a" student or the equestrian and swim team star they see a thug. what do i have to do to protect my kid? >> why is this the surprise? you were the one that s
i want to bring in sunny hostin and don lemon. don was angry when he heard the verdict. jeffrey toobin, and mark o'mara. >> jeff you had a simple reaction to this verdict. >> yeah, this was a case about a kid killed because he was black. i mean, that's all this case was. >> well said. >> and i think that's why so many of us had such a horrified reaction to it. because there are interesting legal issues here and complexities, but there's no way he is killed if he is...
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and sunny hostin and mark geragos. sunny, i know you say you believe there's no question race was involved in this case. >> sure. >> how do these recordings change your opinion or confirm your opinion? >> it solidifies my opinion. when you listen to the calls, he talks about the black people in jail as animals. he writes letters from jail calling blacks thugs. when he writes the letter to his grandmother and says, this may sound radical, but if others -- when black people threatened them, if they killed them, maybe they would change their behavior. that speaks volumes about the person's character. i'm clear in my mind that his fear was based on the fact that these boys were black. when you listen to the phone calls, he says he doesn't believe that they didn't have a criminal record, because they were bad. i sat with those boys. i met those boys and those families. those are good, decent kids raised in a two family household. not that that necessarily matters, two parent household rather, and they are just good people.
and sunny hostin and mark geragos. sunny, i know you say you believe there's no question race was involved in this case. >> sure. >> how do these recordings change your opinion or confirm your opinion? >> it solidifies my opinion. when you listen to the calls, he talks about the black people in jail as animals. he writes letters from jail calling blacks thugs. when he writes the letter to his grandmother and says, this may sound radical, but if others -- when black people...
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so to new york we go, and new york legal analyst, sunny hostin. the wrong pill defense, is that legitimate? >> you know, i think it could be. being in trial really is about relating to the jury. and i don't live too far from where this trial is taking place. you're talking about westchester county. a lot of soccer moms there. a lot of people that do take multi-pills, take thyroid medication, take ambien, because they have trouble sleeping. i think it could be very credible to a jury that, hey, i didn't mean to drive under the influence. i just took the wrong pill. i actually think in this case, especially if she testifies, barrack, which according to many, she will, i think it could really work out for her. >> and it's sbraegs, because you talking about playing to the jury and the soccer moms, i don't know who the jurors are, but when you have other members of the kennedy family sitting in that courtroom, what kind of impact do you think that's having? >> it always has an impact when there is a family presence behind the defendant, in any case. we
so to new york we go, and new york legal analyst, sunny hostin. the wrong pill defense, is that legitimate? >> you know, i think it could be. being in trial really is about relating to the jury. and i don't live too far from where this trial is taking place. you're talking about westchester county. a lot of soccer moms there. a lot of people that do take multi-pills, take thyroid medication, take ambien, because they have trouble sleeping. i think it could be very credible to a jury that,...
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alina cho and sunny hostin are both live for us in jacksonville. alina, let's begin with you about the questions that were asked of the court. >> reporter: well, that's right. it was a question, actually a three-part question that was asked. but before i get into that, i want to move out of the way and show you the scene here outside the courthouse. you can see some children are protesting. there's also a larger group of people protesting standing out there with signs calling for justice for jordan davis outside of this courthouse while the jury inside continues to deliberate. now, they've been deliberating now today for about four hours. and right at the beginning about 30 minutes into their deliberation today, they had a question for the judge. take a listen. >> first question. is the defense of self-defense separate for each person in each count? the answer is yes. second question. are we determining if deadly force is justified against each person in each count? the answer is yes. the third question. or if we determine deadly force is justified
alina cho and sunny hostin are both live for us in jacksonville. alina, let's begin with you about the questions that were asked of the court. >> reporter: well, that's right. it was a question, actually a three-part question that was asked. but before i get into that, i want to move out of the way and show you the scene here outside the courthouse. you can see some children are protesting. there's also a larger group of people protesting standing out there with signs calling for justice...
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. >> let's bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin, who was inside the courtroom today and mark geragos. it's interesting, he seemed very confident on the stand, and it's not often you see a defendant like that take the stand and then his fiance basically undercut a lot of the stuff that he so confidently said he told her. you were there for the testimony. what was it like in the courtroom? you think it was a good day for the government? >> yeah, i do think it was a good day for the government. it was very well played. it was effective. it wasn't over the top. many people are saying he didn't do enough. well, that is what makes a good prosecutor. you don't want to go too far. you're never going to get the moment that jack nicholson and tom cruise got in "a few good men," where jack nicholson said, you're damn right i ordered the code red. what happened this time is john guy makes sure all the inconsistencies that michael dunn had came out in the rebuttal case. i thought that was so very effective. >> mark, what did you make of dunn's time on the stand? >> look, dunn had to take the stan
. >> let's bring in our legal analyst, sunny hostin, who was inside the courtroom today and mark geragos. it's interesting, he seemed very confident on the stand, and it's not often you see a defendant like that take the stand and then his fiance basically undercut a lot of the stuff that he so confidently said he told her. you were there for the testimony. what was it like in the courtroom? you think it was a good day for the government? >> yeah, i do think it was a good day for...
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going to go first to our sunny hostin. and as well as martin, both in jacksonville.. >> reporter: you know, i, again, remain stunned at this verdict and i do think the jury clearly worked hard and they did come with guilty verdicts on four of these counts. so i don't want to sound like that is not important. that is significant. we're talking about prison time for 60 to 75 years. yes, that is significant. but what i find so appalling is that they could not reach a verdict as to the first count. which is first-degree murder. and that tells me that someone on this jury, at least someone, believed michael dunn's testimony. we're talking about someone who fled the scene after shooting into a car with four teens ten times. we're talking about someone who then never called 911. never called police. until he was arrested and then somehow came up with this mythological shotgun. i think it is shocking that someone would believe that he actually saw a gun and that there was this perception, this perception that these teens somehow were inherently criminal. i think it's just de
going to go first to our sunny hostin. and as well as martin, both in jacksonville.. >> reporter: you know, i, again, remain stunned at this verdict and i do think the jury clearly worked hard and they did come with guilty verdicts on four of these counts. so i don't want to sound like that is not important. that is significant. we're talking about prison time for 60 to 75 years. yes, that is significant. but what i find so appalling is that they could not reach a verdict as to the first...
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cnn martin savidge, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and mark geragos.artin, as we said the jury is done for the night. they asked very specific questions. what were these questions tonight? >> it was all day they were pretty quiet. around 4:45, they came out with two questions. the first was, could they have a 30-minute break which was yeah. it was the second one that got eyes popping. i'm going to read it to you. it was awkward. they said, is it possible to not reach a verdict on one count and reach a verdict on other counts. the short answer coming from the judge is yes. the big question on the minds of everybody who is hearing that is, oh, my goodness, what does this really mean. clearly it sounds like this jury is caught up and where are they caught up? most people tend to think it's on the murder charge, the death of jordan davis. was it murder one. and so if it's not essentially what it would mean is that the jurors could come back and rule on whatever else they've decided but they couldn't rule on that, and that would be declared a mistrial on th
cnn martin savidge, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and mark geragos.artin, as we said the jury is done for the night. they asked very specific questions. what were these questions tonight? >> it was all day they were pretty quiet. around 4:45, they came out with two questions. the first was, could they have a 30-minute break which was yeah. it was the second one that got eyes popping. i'm going to read it to you. it was awkward. they said, is it possible to not reach a verdict on...
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. >>> and i want to get to sunny hostin who is also down there in florida with the florida congre congresswomanhas been speaking out for a long time about the stand your ground law. and both ladies are was, and it does not have to be better, and the director saying, no, no, no sh, and just put them up. and first, florida congresswoman, have you spoken to the davis family today? >> i have been with them for the past three or four days, and keep in mind tomorrow would be jordan's birthday, 19 years old. what are we doing here? it just doesn't make any sense, and regardless of how the verdict comes out, we have to deal with stand your ground, because it is a license to kill. >> and representative, you don't know this, and i don't mean to cut you off, but there is activity in the courtroom, and you have to get back in and go and do your thing. >> and don, let me say this, that there is some rumors going around that there is a verdict, but there is not a verdict. there is a question. there is a question. and so we will go back into the courtroom, but i want to add that when we were just there in the
. >>> and i want to get to sunny hostin who is also down there in florida with the florida congre congresswomanhas been speaking out for a long time about the stand your ground law. and both ladies are was, and it does not have to be better, and the director saying, no, no, no sh, and just put them up. and first, florida congresswoman, have you spoken to the davis family today? >> i have been with them for the past three or four days, and keep in mind tomorrow would be jordan's...
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we have sunny hostin. she's been in the courtroom.ville. and cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey tubin. let's do this as a speed round lady and gentleman. let's go through the hot points since we got to hear the defense counsel. on the first one, what do you make of the timing of deliberations with this jury. >> it's not relevant. this was a fairly complicated case, they only have been deliberating for a day. if they don't have a verdict today then you might have a concern about some sort of disagreement among the jurors. so far it's going very smoothly. >> the amount of time what they are asking for routine. >> very much. >> next issue, this case overcharged, looking at zimmerman which was second-degree murder, manslaughter this one first degree murder not death penalty, overcharge? >> no, i don't think so at all. having been in the courtroom for so much of the testimony, i think it's pretty clear that the prosecution had enough evidence to go forward on first degree. but let's remember that there's also attempted first degree, attempte
we have sunny hostin. she's been in the courtroom.ville. and cnn senior legal analyst jeffrey tubin. let's do this as a speed round lady and gentleman. let's go through the hot points since we got to hear the defense counsel. on the first one, what do you make of the timing of deliberations with this jury. >> it's not relevant. this was a fairly complicated case, they only have been deliberating for a day. if they don't have a verdict today then you might have a concern about some sort of...
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i want to continue the conversation with the 21-year-old woman sunny hostin and criminal defense attorneys listening to the woman that she never thought about race. what do you think about that? >> right. race certainly was excluded from the courtroom. the defense filed a motion to exclude any mention of race. that issue in particular was not necessarily before that. i think what she is saying makes sense. what doesn't make sense to me is that race was very much an issue, i think, in michael dunn feeling threatened by jordan davis. it was the elephant in the room. he was using code words like thug and like rap crack saying these kids looked menacing. to suggest that race is not a part of the judicial system and wasn't a part of the trial, i think it's a bit naive. i remember looking at her throughout the case and there were two african-american jurors on the panel. she was one of those that seemed to be engaged through all of the testimony. i'm interested in hearing the rest of what she had to say tonight. >> me too on "ac 360." she wanted justice. whoever or however that justice would co
i want to continue the conversation with the 21-year-old woman sunny hostin and criminal defense attorneys listening to the woman that she never thought about race. what do you think about that? >> right. race certainly was excluded from the courtroom. the defense filed a motion to exclude any mention of race. that issue in particular was not necessarily before that. i think what she is saying makes sense. what doesn't make sense to me is that race was very much an issue, i think, in...
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. >> let's talk to our legal analyst prosecutor, sunny hostin and defense attorney.eorge zimmerman trial. sunny, to you first from the prosecution perspective, how did guy do today? >> i thought he did well in the zimmerman trial and well today. his opening was impassioned and one of the lessons he may have learned is that you have to personalize. you have to make this jury realize the victim was a real person, a loved person. i will say what is fascinating to me about this case is angela cory who was sitting in the gallery when i was in the courtroom was not really a part of the team. she is front and center now. she is examining witnesses. i have never seen that. in these cases in florida. they are talking about the state's attorney. >> why is she doing it? >> it's the import of the case. this is about stand your ground. this is about stand your ground. >> the teenager here as we mentioned in this piece, he didn't have a gun at the time. he did have a pocket knife. they are saying self defense. how did they prove that? >> the pocket knife is a total red herring. th
. >> let's talk to our legal analyst prosecutor, sunny hostin and defense attorney.eorge zimmerman trial. sunny, to you first from the prosecution perspective, how did guy do today? >> i thought he did well in the zimmerman trial and well today. his opening was impassioned and one of the lessons he may have learned is that you have to personalize. you have to make this jury realize the victim was a real person, a loved person. i will say what is fascinating to me about this case is...
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sunny hostin, president obamay harlow. thank you very much. >> justin bieber. the pot plane and now this. not a care in the world or so it seems. kicking it with pals as prosecutors figure out whether bieber should face felony charges. look at that. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room over the pizza place on chestnut street the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreling down i-95. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more. dell is honored to be part of some of the world's great stories. that began much the same way ours did. in a little dorm room -- 2713. ♪ this magic moment ♪ ♪ this magic moment fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yeah. everybody knows that. did you know there is an oldest trick in the book? what? trick number one. look-est over there. ha ha. made-est thou look. so end-eth the trick. hey.... yes.... geico. fifteen minutes could save you... well, you know. . >> per we a
sunny hostin, president obamay harlow. thank you very much. >> justin bieber. the pot plane and now this. not a care in the world or so it seems. kicking it with pals as prosecutors figure out whether bieber should face felony charges. look at that. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the little room over the pizza place on chestnut street the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreling down i-95. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every...
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. >> sunny hostin live in jacksonville. you've been there following this case.se that the jurors want to see this mannequin because they are trying to figure out whether jordan davis got out of that suv? >> reporter: absolutely. i think that this case is coming down to michael dunn's credibility, michael dunn's version of events. he testified which is very rare for a defendant to do in a first degree murder case. really almost in any case. i think they are dissecting his testimony. if they believe that jordan davis, if they believe michael dunn and jordan davis stepped out of that car with a shotgun, tried to attack him, they may acquit in this case. i think this is going to be the crucial day. most juries do come back on a friday, they don't want to spend the weekend in sequestration. they have a lot of work ahead of them. i think they are almost done. when the judge released them for the night they don't look tired. they don't look like they are not cohesive. they look like they are prepared to continue doing some hard work. >> deliberations under way. we'll k
. >> sunny hostin live in jacksonville. you've been there following this case.se that the jurors want to see this mannequin because they are trying to figure out whether jordan davis got out of that suv? >> reporter: absolutely. i think that this case is coming down to michael dunn's credibility, michael dunn's version of events. he testified which is very rare for a defendant to do in a first degree murder case. really almost in any case. i think they are dissecting his testimony....
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sunny hostin, thank you. >>> hour two, i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with this. details just released from washington, d.c. this predicts obamacare will trigger a drop in the u.s. work force. a top republican has just come out calling this report devastating. that was his word. but as we look at this report, really, really close up, this is what it actually says. the estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor. let's sort this thing out. let's go to washington to lisa desjardins. lisa, is this saying that the job force will drop because people either will decide to work less, now that they have affordable health care coverage, or something else? >> right. it's amazing that you got that from that quote from the congressional budget office. that was the worst government speak i think i've seen in a long time. >> help us understand it. >> reporter: right. what are they talking about? what they are saying is they think two million american
sunny hostin, thank you. >>> hour two, i'm brooke baldwin. we begin with this. details just released from washington, d.c. this predicts obamacare will trigger a drop in the u.s. work force. a top republican has just come out calling this report devastating. that was his word. but as we look at this report, really, really close up, this is what it actually says. the estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply rather...
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we have sunny hostin on the ground down there.k you for joining us. >> reporter: good morning. >> i have been doing my analysis this week on the basis of the interrogation tapes and the letter that dunn has written on this, what of that information is before this jury? >> reporter: absolutely none of that information is before this jury. and i think that was a tactical piece, sort of a tactic done by the prosecution because they've learned from the zimmerman case. in that case, george zimmerman did not have to testify on his own behalf because all of that information had been put forth to the jury by the prosecution. this time, they didn't make that crucial mistake. if michael dunn wants to take self defense, we has got to take the witness stand. and i think that is going to happen today. i stayed in the courtroom after the crowds had left yesterday when the attorneys and the judge were going over jury instruction. angela corey, the prosecutor stood up and said he doesn't get this instruction just based on his opening statement. a
we have sunny hostin on the ground down there.k you for joining us. >> reporter: good morning. >> i have been doing my analysis this week on the basis of the interrogation tapes and the letter that dunn has written on this, what of that information is before this jury? >> reporter: absolutely none of that information is before this jury. and i think that was a tactical piece, sort of a tactic done by the prosecution because they've learned from the zimmerman case. in that...
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ynn legal analyst sunny hostin that's been in the courtroom. sunny, great to see you.on what you saw and how the jury reacted. we talked about this earlier last hour. it seems generally everyone understands even though michael dunn was on the stand for more than three hours the defense gained legality if any ground in his testimony. how did the jury react to his testimony? >> you know, the jury certainly was very riveted by his testimony and that isn't unusual. it's very rare for a defendant to testify in a first degree murder case. they rarely do so. the jury was certainly paying attention. however, when the prosecution started its cross-examination i thought the prosecution's cross-examination was so very effective especially the rebuttal case when michael dunn's fiancee got on the witness stand and basically contradicted every single thing that he said, every important thing that he said on the witness stand. the jury, in my view, kate, really seemed to be paying much more attention to rhonda's testimony and during the cross-examination their eyes were directly on t
ynn legal analyst sunny hostin that's been in the courtroom. sunny, great to see you.on what you saw and how the jury reacted. we talked about this earlier last hour. it seems generally everyone understands even though michael dunn was on the stand for more than three hours the defense gained legality if any ground in his testimony. how did the jury react to his testimony? >> you know, the jury certainly was very riveted by his testimony and that isn't unusual. it's very rare for a...
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let's bring in legal analyst sunny hostin joinsing us from jacksonville. in the courtroom, tell us, looking at that jury what do you think resonating for the prosecution and the defense? >> reporter: i can tell you, chris, that closing arguments both from the prosecution and the defense were very, very strong yesterday. the jury was paying wrapped attention, but the big moments of the day did come when assistant state attorney john guy gave his rebuttal closing argument. he's a very passionate advocate. we saw that in the zimmerman case. we certainly saw it again yesterday. he talked about jordan davis. he put the victim in this case just dead center, and said that to the dead we owe the truth there wasn't dry eye in the courtroom. jordan davis' parents were crying. their family member, friends also crying, and i did see several of the jury members put their notes down, put their pens down and look directly into the gallery, directly at the family. i think that was the big moment yesterday. >> strong reporting. important and inciteful and understanding whe
let's bring in legal analyst sunny hostin joinsing us from jacksonville. in the courtroom, tell us, looking at that jury what do you think resonating for the prosecution and the defense? >> reporter: i can tell you, chris, that closing arguments both from the prosecution and the defense were very, very strong yesterday. the jury was paying wrapped attention, but the big moments of the day did come when assistant state attorney john guy gave his rebuttal closing argument. he's a very...