big john. >> welcome senator hoven. good to see you. >> they said you were saving gas and didn't want a carbon footprint. >> actually been in the building. we were just on the wrong side. >> you were just taking a tour of the museum. okay. >> so anyway, what i have said is that the delay -- i'm not asking for a delay of implementation. i'm asking, don't put a crime or a fine for this piece of legislation until january 1, 2015 so we can work a transitional year. if you're truly wanting to be constructive and wanting to try to find it, you have to have -- there's a working period of time. >> mm-hmm. >> we'll get through all of this. we might not have the program we intended. might not be able to afford certain aspects of it, but we can do a lot better than we've done. i'm more in a constructive positive mode trying to fix things. and really as a governor, that's what we were expected to do every day. >> right. senator hoven, we were talking about the enrollment numbers and they're lower than, i think, initially had been h