that wouldn't have happened in the mansfield senate or with howard baker, or bob dole. >> host: that leads me to ask a question in the book that is so important into such an important observation you talk about the commitment to make the senate work as a key factor in that tiny and you just eluded to it clear now that is a difference between a collective agenda and individual agenda. talk about that distinction and why it is so important. >> guest: mansfield became the leader and had a view of how you should do business and he was the reaction to lyndon johnson. he didn't believe in bullying people. he believed all of the senators have to contribute to. when he heard the mansfield was trying to do he said it couldn't possibly work in the senate. they moved ahead that way. part of the mansfield instilled into the senators felt was the representative states vigorously and they were democrats or republicans who cared about their party but they have an overriding national commitment. to make this a network for the collective action that is what we are here for a. they argued, they hathat

i don't think it's a subjective interpretation. >> because you bring up howard baker, i mean, i have from many republicans in congress right now. you know, especially on the senate side. and, you know, i get that the house is on recess, but you're still doing an interview. i mean, who is there someone that is the howard baker of this moment who will say, what did you know and when did you know it? do you see that turning point in your republican colleagues right now? >> i absolutely believe that there are members of the united states senate in the republican conference who could step up and do this. but the question really is, will they step up and do this? and that remainsto be een. >> i appreciate your time tonight, congressman. thanks for being with me. >> you're welcome. >>> "outfront" next, after a week of legal drama for the president, what is the red line for his supporters? >> the president better watch about the pardons, because with the pardons that he does that, it looks like it was set up by him. >> and republican congressman duncan hunter and his wife in court pleading

the question what did the president know and when did he know it we're right now there are no howard baker sadly in the senate but if mr. report becomes a smoking howitzer then i think the republicans will have no choice but to consider very seriously the issues that are going to confront the president at this stage it is far too early this may be the end of the beginning but it is not the beginning of the end but in the case of impeachment or removal from office is it as simple as mike pence becomes president and everyone moves on yes absolutely the twenty fifth amendment dominates you need just a majority vote in the house but then you need a two thirds vote in the senate and even if the democrats were to win it's very difficult to see how a two thirds vote would occur but you may have charges against mr trump's family he may be forced to resign as richard nixon did in that case mike pence becomes president and then the fist fight will become over who's the vice president because in my judgment if mr pence becomes president he is not electable in two thousand and twenty and so the republ

howard baker said americans were set up by being -- fed up by being pushed around and now he said the trial of these incidents. the state department administration's point person admitted that we are at a turning point for human rights policy unless we make some major response to the soviet decision. conservatives packed into the theaters and attacked carter for putting everyone in danger. given all the political backlash in panama, the senators were scared when they heard the fury from the right pick the anti- social -- soviet from the hill was so intense that it was hard to imagine the agreement. the conservative attacks were having their attacks and the coalition of southern democrats and republicans would expand their size. the media pounded on carter talking about the difficulties he was facing. one of the favorite stories in 1978 about the carter administration was the tension between the national security advisor who was more of a hawk in the secretary of state who was more open to agreement and negotiations with the soviet and the media loves to prevent -- resent stories about

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senate minority leader howard baker said americans were fed up being pushed around by arrogant intrusions into africa, the middle east, and now -- the trial of the dissidents. >> jessica putnam -- ministrations point person on human rights admitted, i think we are at a real turning point for human rights policy, unless we make some major response to the soviet decision. conservatives -- attacked carter for putting everyone in danger. given all the political backlash of panama, the senators were furious when they heard the fury from the right the anti- soviet on the hill. was so intense that it was hard to imagine a salt ii agreement whatever work . the conservative attacks were having their affect, and in the 1978 midterms, the conservative coalition of southern democrats and republicans, would expand their size. the media pounded on carter. talking about the difficulties he was facing. one of the favorite stories in 1978 about the carter administration was the tension between the national security advisor, brezinski, who was more of a hawk, and secretary of state, cyrus spann, who was mo

senate minority leader howard baker said, quote, americans were fet up by being pushed around by arrogants into africa, the middle east and now, he said, the trial of these dissidents. jessica tuckman, from the state department, admitted, quote, i think we're at a real turning point for human rights policy unless we make some major response to the soviet decision. conservatives tapped into these fears and attacked carter for putting everyone in danger. given all the political backlash in panama, the senators were scared when they heard the fury from the right. the anti-soviet climate on the hill, one of carter's advisers admitted in the summer of 1978, was so intense that it was hard to imagine a s.a.l.t. ii agreement would ever work. the conservative attacks were having their effects. and in the 1978 midterm, the conservative coalition of southern democrats and republicans would expand their size. the media pounded on carter, talking about the difficulties he was facing. one of the favorite stories in 1978 about the carter administration was the tension between the national security advi

>> a call that came from howard baker's office that said he wanted me to join three other senators to lead thein chese leader in beijing. so i went on th trip, and john was the escort officer. aledduring that time, he reg us with stories, funny stories, always self-deprecating, always telling kind of irish joes on himself, and would talutk abo the o'reilly twins, in a bar, and i won't go into the deails on that, but it was always just a lot of fun. ohn,when you travel with j you knew that you were going to enjoy the trip, you may be on a very serious mission, but you always knew that being with him in his presence was going to make the trip really fun loving, and that's the way it was with ltm, whether he deaith the press and called you jerks in a ry humorous way and meaning as a compliment, never as a derogatory term. but he wanted to make friends. he wanted to tell you o he was. he wanted you to know that there's a real conscience in there, and when he violated his co science, he didomething he knew in his heart he didn't feel, he was the first one to admit it, not privately but pub

in "the weekly standard," "no gop senator seems eager to play the role that senator howard baker played in watergate. there are no barry goldwaters willing to tell the president hard truths." with me is charlie sykes, and mike murphy, again, long time republican strategist. susan page as well. charlie sykes, tell us what you mean by "the moral rot." you're in wisconsin. where is paul ryan? where is the voice speaking up at this stage? >> well, you know, the bottom line is the republicans have bet their future on the proposition that character does not matter, at least not the character of donald trump. so what they've done is they have tolerated this culture of corruption. but more than tolerated it. by believing that nothing matters, that they are going to be immunized from any consequences, they really have encouraged this kind of swampy behavior that we're seeing with congressmen collins and duncan hunter. at this point it is an extraordinary moment. this would have been the week, right, this would have been the week where republicans would say we need to draw the line and make it cl

case, it was more when the evidence moved them, what happened, let's show, of course, the famous howard bakercontext to. take a look. >> what did the president know? and when did he know it? >> what did the president know and when did he first know it? >> you argue that while that sounds tough in hindsight, it was actually meant to protect nixon in the, quote, mistaken belief the president didn't know about the coverup, and you also write once those hearings started baker's staff was leaking information about the chi's witnesses and plans to mr. nixon. what are you getting at there? >> well, absolutely. that at the time this was the senate committee the year before the impeachment inquiry, and senator baker was the lead republican on that committee and the minority of the committee. he was, in fact, cooperating that we have a memo that john dean wrote at the time telling the president that senator baker wanted to meet with him, but wanted to keep it private so he could keep his purity on the committee. and when he postulated that question of when did he know it? the idea was he thought the pr

is there a howard baker?son that would step up and say this is it, i'm going to join with the democrats and protest what i consider to be an action inconsistent with the laws and rules of the u.s.? to answer his question, probably not, is that fair or do we know? >> i'm not sure there's enough of them to answer his question. i do think you have seen, especially some republicans like, you know, tennessee, senator bob corker, you've seen some republicans who know they're not going to be in congress next time around talk about how important it is actually to make sure mueller isn't fired and then they change the subject by saying he hasn't been fired so let's not talk about this. those people are out there. if you talk to republicans behind the scenes, they know that mueller getting fired is -- >> i'm interrupting you rudely. chuck schumer is on the senate floor now. we want to take a listen. >> so those two events, kavanaugh's refusal to say that a president must comply with the duly issued subpoena and michael

president nixon left office that august of 1974 after some republicans had stood up like howard bakerld him he had to leave. for a long time the republican party was cautious then before some people started waking up and what happened in the midterm elections after nixon left just a few month s late e the democrats picked up 49 seats in the house and won 5 senate seats. day went on to win the general election with jimmy carter in 1980. so they paid a fearsome price -- i'm sorry, in 1976, and they paid a faearsome price as a pary and this is going to hurt the party especially among millennials and women and minor it i ities unless they address it soon. >> several top republicans did try their best to avoid the questions today. let's listen. >> all we know about it is that he's bled guilty and everything else that you asking me is speculation. i don't think i should be speculating. >> i don't know nothing about it to, again, the process is just beginning and i think we ought to let it -- >> naturally, it makes you very concerned, but, you know, the president shouldn't be held responsibl

was one republican senator in 1966, power, and he got mad because of lbj becoming president, and howard baker in tennessee. >> raymond from cleveland, ohio, independent line, with pat buchanan and barbara perry. >> caller. how do you go from 1968 and kent state, and how do we deal with, we didn't have the social media and internet. how did people organize? >> interesting question. barbara? >> how do he go from 1968 to 1970 and kent state, and the answer is nixon opening up the cambodian front in the vietnam war, and that is to invade cambodia to try to stop the flow of men anteriorly from the north into the -- and material from the now the to the south. and used against the united states forces. what the announcement of that in april of 1970, the campuses explode again, particularly kent state, tractor-trailer a peaceful demonstration -- there's a peaceful demonstration, but several students are killed. so that is yet another open wound for the united states to have to deal with. how did these people organize? i just watched a fascinating documentary last night about the civil right movement,

so, then we got howard baker in 1968 in tennessee. but now, it's -- the reverse is true. >> it's the reverse. >> raymond from cleveland, ohio, independent line with pat bu n buchanan and barbara perry. >> how do we go from 1968 and kent state and how do we deal with -- we didn't have the social media and the internet back then. how did people organize? >> the answer is nixon opening up the cambodian front in the vietnam war, trying to stop the flow of men and material into the south and to be used against forces in south vietnam. with the announcement of that in april of 1970, the campuses explode again, particularly kent state. there's a peaceful demonstration, but the ohio national guards open fire and several are killed. that is yet another open wound for the united states to have to deal with. how did these people organize. i watched a documentary and without social media, the way to get to the media, in those days, media is supposed to be between the media and the people. now, we are. we are the media and the people of the media.

howard baker asking the question that framed weightgate. when did the president know?reagan, a sitting president in his own party, it inspired a movement that changed the government and the world. yet, these guys just want to salute a tv host. >> congressman hines said they're running scared in their district and scared of their state of donald trump because he remains popular in those districts. scott walker twisted himself in saying i don't like the tariffs, i don't like what he might do to harl davidson, but i like this president, we'll get through this. it's a tough line eventually going forward, you fall off of it. >> that does it for us this morning. thanks so much for watching. we greatly appreciate it. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks so much, joe. >>> good morning, everyone, i'm stephanie ruhle starting with "the apprentice" being the master. omarosa's rollout of recordings leaves the trump administration wondering what will come next. >> do you think the american will never hear donald trump utter the n word. >> i can't guarantee it.

has under great leaders on the democratic side like mike mansfield, on the republican side like howard baker. and we've gotten things done. so i'm proud of the appropriations committee. i am concerned about the judiciary committee. i've had the privilege of serving on it for over 40 years. the privilege of being chairman and ranking member. but i have to say, it is not doing its job if it's not requiring all the material to be here. senator shelby and i on the appropriations committee have worked to make sure everybody is heard. everybody had the material. we should be doing the same thing on the judiciary committee. i see the chairman of the committee on the floor, and i've spoken on the matter i wanted to speak on. i will yield the floor. the presiding officer: the senator from connecticut. mr. murphy: i see senator boosman is here. i will yield the floor and speak after he's done. mr. boozman: it's okay. i'll yield to you. mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from arkansas. mr. boozman: i'll yield to you. mr. mur uz -- mr. murphy: mr. president. the presiding officer: the sen

where are the howard bakers? where are our republican colleagues who i know they love this country. but it's either fear or expediency or something else not admirable that is making them complicit with the president in their ostrich-like silence. it is time, my republican friends, to quote the scriptures, to speak truth to power. next, the recent legal developments for mr. manafort and mr. cohen shed an entirely different light on judge kavanaugh's nomination to the supreme court. it is conceivable that down the road the supreme court could be faced with a decision as to whether a sitting president can be subpoenaed or indicted, something the court has not yet ruled on. in my meeting with judge kavanaugh, he not only refused to answer crucial questions about whether roe, casey, or cases involving the a.c.a. were correctly decided, he even refused to affirm that a president must comply with a duly issued subpoena. even in a criminal investigation that concerns vital national security. considering judge kavanaugh has such a voluminous record on the issue of executive authority on whic

we got howard baker in 1966 in tennessee. but now it's -- the reverse is true. >> it's the reverse. >> raymond from cleveland, ohio, independent line with pat buchanan and barbara perry. >> from 1968 to kent state, how do we deal with -- we didn't have the social media and internet back then. how did people organize? >> interesting question. barbara perry. >> how do we go from 1968 to 1970 and kent state, the question s and the answer is nixon nixon opening up the cambodian front in the vietnam war and that is to invade cambodia to try to stop the flow of men and material from the north into the south and to be used against united states forces there in south vietnam. what the announcement of that in april of 1970, the campuses explode again, particularly kent state. there is a peaceful demonstration, but the ohio national guardsmen open fire on the protesting students and several of them are killed. so that is yet another open wound for the united states to have to deal with. how did these people organize? i just watched a f

that reminds me of the story of senator howard baker, the former majority of the united states senate, who was a practicing lawyer in the mountains. he said he was once a mountain judge before a -- he had a case, boys give me just a moment, i had a telephone call and i pretty much know the facts. judges are not supposed to sty the case before the facts. that's why we have a judicial system. justice ginsburg said that she would, quote, give no hints, no forecasts, no previews of what her legal views might be in she were to be confirmed. this rule is now known as the ginsburg rule. justices are supposed to follow the law and decide cases when the cases are presented, not before justices are confirmed or while they are being confirmed. and, of course, a justice's opinion and decision can be surprising. i spent -- that's been throughout the history the supreme court. roosevelt was surprised by justice scran -- scalia said, the judge who always likes the results that he gets is a bad judge, unquote. in 2006, i voted for judge kavanaugh when he was president george w. bush's nominee for the