joe becker's piece in the "new york times" this morning. >> so do you think, howard, that the "new yorkmes" is like a right wing hit piece against hillary clinton? >> first of all, i think the accusations are somewhat different between bush and clinton assuming this is what is going on. the accusations about hillary are that she -- that the clinton foundation took nonprofit cash, none of which went into their pocket and then in quid pro quo, she supposedly did something for all these donors that gave to these causes. >> but -- >> can i finish joe? >> but you've said it so i'll add a little footnote on that. they also get paid money by some of these people for giving speeches, $550,000. >> that's true. >> but you say -- i have to put the footnote on the second time you do that talking point. >> i think that's a la skrit mate inquiry. but the allegation about jeb bush, and i'm not saying any of these are true is that he personally made money by dealing with all these folks. nonetheless, this is the problem here. i'm not going to accuse the "new york times" of having bias. they do everybod