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and governor of vermont writes to live howard dean. governor dean has to have you with us thanks to me and showed up tonight do you think that this guy robbing this bank and it's kind of caught his eye it's quite people i mean look this is a country that ought to have universal health insurance just like every other industrialized country in the world why we don't is a very complicated situation has a lot to do with politics has a lot to do the influence of money and frankly it has a lot to do with a kind of a political philosophy by one of the parties that serves the insurance companies in the corporations and not anybody else at all and to some extent the supreme court has was maybe sort of become a political body because the republicans in the federalist society which is sort of the right wing source of all these judges has decided they want to politicize the courts and you have basically four very conservative judicial activists one real conservative who actually does care what the constitution says and for would call relatively no

former dnc chairman howard dean issuing a warning to the white house, watch out for sarah palin. n defeat president obama if the republican nominee in 2012. is dean just trying to rally the base or are democrats really scared of palin? our washington insider is about to weigh in now. a democratic political strategist and was the spokesman for the former vermont governor and dee dee benke is a former republican strategist. what is he up to? >> he's exactly right. he sees the effect that sarah palin has. every time she shows up, she steals all the thunder from everyone. she's a force to be reckoned with and the democrats are scared of her and they should be. >> i guess, he was just doing a fairly warning to his g.o.p. friends? >> i think howard dean was simply acknowledging that it is a very long time until the november 2012 elections and as he well knows from experience, anything can happen between now and then. >> he can. that's true. and it can happen. is he also concerned that people are thinking that president obama is a shoo-in possibly in and the money is not flowing at the r

howard dean has said she should be taken seriously. >> she should. >> and she shouldn't be laughed ato you say, bill? >> i think what howard dealing was saying is democrats have to be careful. there's all this disruption, all this confusion on the republican side now, and a lot of democrats are saying, man, we're just going to waltz in there. howard dean was saying don't take that attitude. you have to fight like hell. but there's a rasmussen poll out today, al, 49% of americans say that mitt romney is qualified to be president. we have seen more of sarah palin than any other candidates. she gets all the publicity she wants. she's always on fox. 23% of americans say she's confidence qualified to be president. this is a disaster. >> is it a disaster, pat? >> no, it's not a disaster. when have you or i ever gotten attention like that. chris wallace said that was a -- performance, the best, has she made mistakes, got problems? yeah, so was ronald reagan in his time, al. >> let me tell you, al. our friend pat ought to know getting the enthusiastic response of the extreme right wing does n

remember when howard dean gave john carry a run for his money in 2004? nobody kind of expected him to do that but he had a strong base within the party and he had the liberal base within the party. she has the tea party, fiscal conservative base and until somebody like rick perry gets in, governor of texas, which i believe he will, she's taking up a lot of the oxygen. today, mitt romney himself complimented michele bachmann for the, quote, traction she's getting in the campaign. >> it's interesting, gloria. a lot of liberals today and liberal commentators were attacking her for she misspoke and she thought she was talking about john wayne and she was talking about john wayne gassy. clearly candidates make mistakes and we're not focusing on that. but i want to play the question that had a lot of people talking over the weekend, put to congressman bachmann put to her by chris wallace over the weekend. >> are you a flake? >> well, i think that would be insulting to say something like that because i'm a serious person. >> chris wallace has since apologized.

>> i don't know howard dean was thinking. maybe the air was super thin in vermont. celebrity cult. paul revere did not give up information to the british. he was detained the terrific article in foeshs that talks about this whole history. it looks like sarah palin may look at history as two different people. that was not paul revere. he was one if by land and two if by sea. he did not give up information warning them what the col onnists were going to do. he was on the side of the col onnists. hello. absolutely not. read a history book. >> they were full of american volunteers. >> he lie and gave them an overestimate of how many troobs would be waiting as a way to lie to the british. paul revere was detained and on the side of the patriots. he wasn't warning about anything. the narrative about the right was not about gun rights and sarah palin wanted to make it about that. he twisted the fable and created that. >> let me get a word in edge wise. the whole situation with sarah palin i think is exactly the kind of situation that makes so many of our listeners think we

just the way in 2004 howard dean shook up the democrats. he shook up john kerry, gave him a run for his money. he didn't win iowa then there was a problem. but did he represent the liberal wing of the democratic party in the same way she represents the tea party. rick perry, if he gets in, that's a game-changer. that could take away a whole bunch of her strength right now. she's got a little bit of steam. she's going to take advantage of it till he gets in the race. >> chip, if you're in camp palin, and most of us think she is not going to run, she is actually going to be in iowa tomorrow for the iowa premiere of a movie about her tenure as the governor up in alaska. does bachmann's rise accelerate your schedule or do you not have to worry about that if you're sarah palin? >> i don't think sarah palin worries about anyone else's schedule except her own. i don't think it bothers her one bit. she is going to do what she is going to do. i assume she is not running for president. if she gets in, that would change the dynamic of the race from io

>> well, what howard dean is saying is that the biggest opponent that president obama faces is not anybody who could become the republican nominee. it's the issue of the economy and the unemployment rate. so the point he was trying to make was, look, even sarah palin when you've got 9% unemployment, when you've got a lot of people questioning whether this housing market's ever going to recover, whether government and the stimulus even work, that anybody, any republican nominee can give president obama a race. i can tell you this -- if you would ask the white house and their political strategists who would they prefer to run against, they would pick palin every single time. >> back to howard dean. he did single out another candidate. he talked about john huntsman, former governor of utah and the former ambassador to china. he said he would pose the toughest challenge for barack obama. why does he match up so well? >> well, right now he has positioned himself as the moderate in this race. and if you believe this country is either center left or center right, the one thing pretty much everybo

eventually john kerry got the democratic nomination, but howard dean was a very important factor, noter because he -- he represented the liberal wing of the democratic party, so she may represent a very important wing of the republican party. she's a very good retail politician. people have to pay attention to her, wolf >> so if she's howard dean, mitt romney is john kerry. >> could be. >> is that the analogy you're trying to make? >> it could be. obviously the front-runner is mitt romney. he's got the money and got the establishment backing, and that's where kerry was. >> let's talk a little bit about her record in congress. she's five and a half years or so, five years as a member of congress. >> right. >> what is her record? >> well, she's quite conservative. she's always been conservative on the social issues, conservative on the fiscal issues. her -- her big claim to fame is that she is against government spending at all levels, including pork spending. now you and i know congress very well, and everybody is against pork until they are for pork in their own districts, and the "l.

either party there were there actually working to change the logic of politics as opposed to a howard dean movement which got subsumed in the democratic party and now is there's no antiwar movement on the left and we're going to you know it's to my dismay i do think that. people don't necessarily do so much on their local level because they feel a little overwhelmed because if you look at the debate in the country right now you say that we're in a recession unemployment is so high we're about to reach you know we're about to talk off on our on our debts and the whole country might defaults then isn't that the time to start focusing on washington and if we're going to talk about the politics of it all actually i just want to play a little clip. what's been going on when it comes to the debt ceiling debate think about it. nobody believes that united states is going to walk away from its obligations. when i said this is the moment and this is the opportunity to exactly what i mean dealing with this this debt problem and this deficit problem is far more important than getting some artificial d

howard dean of was hailed as a master of web-centric politics. reagan is the antecedent palin well-prepared reagan had depth and experience and on the estimated grasp of issues, a gift for compromise, a season that lawyer -- loyal team and good-natured time that translated into public trust. he concludes by saying sarah palin, on the other hand, has just our attention. guest: i think bill keller is rewriting history. i think ronald reagan would gotten less than 10% of the vote in the -- from the new york times. now they have decided and he has passed away and was president long ago and was successful, saying reagan was different. we always like reagan. nonsense. look at the coverage, the contemptuous coverage from 1964 through 1980 and indeed, through his administration. they don't -- the reason why they dislike sarah palin is not that she does not like the meeting, it is because she is a strong conservative. some of criticisms of sarah palin may have been correct in some other criticisms of right and have been correct. to throw and howard dean t

she's the howard dean of that election.ou can see her getting to that place in iowa, then you're right, she has to see if she has that -- >> this also is in the process. biography is what this is about. her biography is terrific. 23 foster children, 5 children. she's walked the walk and it resonates. >> george, let's leap to the governor of texas who brought down the house at the republican gathering in louisiana. let's look at what he said in the reaction. >> and our loudest opponents on the left are never going to like us, so let's quit trying to curry favor with them. let's stop this american downward spiral. we're doing this, and it's happening because of too much spending, too much interfering, and too much apologizing. >> so, is he going to come in? what niche does he fill? >> i think he'll come and in fill the niche of those who think there's something deeply flawed about this array of candidates, although i'm not sure how many people really -- i'm not sure more people feel that way this year than do normally. he's f

but i think at 9% unemployment, i agree with howard dean, almost any republican stands a chance againste binary decision for voters, rehire the guy, not rehire the guy. we will see how it turns out. jane hamsher, wes clark, sam seeder, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it it. >> thank you. >>> the fight against scott wake around the republicans is back in wisconsin. more evidence that they are running scared. wait until you hear the secret audio of the republicans. >>> and those koch brothers are more shameful than we thought. show you why they might be more directly responsible for the high gas prices you are paying at the pump. hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices? sadly, no. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner. well, in that case, i better get back to these invoices... which i'll do right after making your favorite pancakes. you know what? i'm going to tidy up your side of the office. i can't hear you because i'm also making you a smoothie. [ male announcer ] marriott ho

and it seems like howard dean is saying, hey, she might be able to beat obama. >> yeah, you know, a couplef points on that. the other thing about her bus trip, there is a lot of questions as i wrote for the hill about who is really paying for it. but to governor dean's point, first, i, you know, kind of rolled my eyes in disagreement, and then realized i actually do agree because his point is, it is not so much about sarah palin as it is about the point that as democrats, we cannot afford to take anything for granted. it is not going to be a cakewalk. it is going to be a tough election. and we need to treat it that way and not make the mistake, for example, that we made when scott brown, you know, won pretty handily in massachusetts. i think that's the point the governor was making, because if she were to become the nominee, which i don't think she would, but let's pretend, the point is that, you know, you have an incredible gop machine that would come in behind her and as we know, just about anybody, i'm going to say george bush, can get elected president with that kind of machine. >> her

bill: wasn't it howard dean over the weekend who suggested inside the beltway they are not taking herly and that could be a fatal flaw? >> yes. absolutely and they think -- everybody thinks they can sort of mock her, and -- you know, and, an interesting thing that she does, she doesn't play by the reviews and it drives them crazy, but, it is is a strengths for her, that she really doesn't care and she says, you know, i was going to do things the way auto want to do that and that is what americans want, right now. they want somebody who is not an insider. bill: you win national elections by winning the middle, the independent voter and, karen, do you think she has that crossover appeal? >> i don't see that she has the crossover appeal at this point. and, let's not forget, she did a fine interview, yesterday, with chris wallace, but also has a number of things that i think make a lot of voters including republican voters, uncomfortable, about a future presidential candidate. which is, you know, doing a reality series, she'ses got a lot of dirty laundry out there with her oldest daughter

we saw it on the democratic side with howard dean 2008, ron paul setting fund-raising records.gives president obama a fight in the general election in your opinion? >> well, i mean that's what every republican is trying to figure out. i don't know. they -- our poll we asked republicans, seven out of ten said the most important thing is electability. i think at this point, you have to take a look at the fellow who's run before, mitt romney, who understands what it's like to go through this entire race, which after all, is an endurance test. the interesting thing, though, to me that i thought was kind of missing from last night, was sort of an optimism, a hopefulness, about the future, which ronald reagan always had, which people really liked to see in their presidential candidates. i think that's one of the reasons that michele bachmann did so well. which is, you saw that coming out of her. you can't just be a mirror of people's resentments. you have to also represent their hopes and their aspirations. as a presidential candidate. and i didn't see a lot of that last night. so, i

and i wish that mayor kurt schmoke, currently the dean of howard law school with you, because he was a great influence to me. being a baltimore native, when he was mayor of that city, he had the courage to step forward after being the prosecutor and the mayor, prosecutor he suffered a crime perspective as mayor he saw from a health perspective of aids in the city and hepatitis, and you've heard about that day. as a lieutenant i had the pleasure to sitting on his exchange board and i got to listen to the conversations and fellowship with him. it didn't blossom it, needed water. so i went back in to narcotics and commanding task forces on the eastern shore of maryland, and ended my career there as commander of the training division for the maryland state police, but that very year afterwards this was the water -- i don't know if you can see that, but that's a photograph at my retirement just a few months before he was assassinated. he was presenting this shadowbox to me, which encompasses my career. a few months after that he and i had a conversation. ed was one the best narcotic agent

and i wished it mayor curt, currently the dean of howard law school is here because he was a great influence to me. being a baltimore native, when he was mayor of that city. and you know, he had the courage to step forward after being the prosecutor and mayor prosecuting from a cramped respect. as mayor sought help perspective with aids and hepatitis and you've heard about that today. as a lieutenant, i had the pleasure to sit on the exchange force and i got to listen to the conversation and fellowship with him. but when i left, after i got promoted them back into drug enforcement, it was there. the associate planet or didn't bustamante. needed some water in. so i went back into narcotics commanding taskforces on the eastern shore of maryland and ended my career there as a commander of the training division for the maryland state police, but the very year afterward, this was the water -- i don't know if you can see that, but that is a photograph of that holy at my retirement just a few months before he was assassinated. and he was presenting the shadow box to me, which encompasses my career.

howard stern show does, live cameras, man. >> if any of us is on air long enough, you're going to have a baba-booey moment. so deanink the thing that bothers a lot of folks is when people want to laugh, they go to a club or watch a specific channel. they will go to a comedy channel. this heckler just put himself in it forcing everyone really to hear him. you know what pete makes a good point because he was at the first press conference. what were they thinking? >> absolutely, he was there on june 6th yelling out similar questions. bengie walks in, all these other reserved reporters are coming in, one after the other, i'm from time magazine, from cnn. i'm from the howard stern show. hello. either remove his press credentials. it is funny. it's stupid, sophomoric, but it's funny. this is not like the tracy morgan thinging from last week but a guy making fun of someone who caused his own down fall sending pictures of himself in his underwear to women on the internet. >> pete is, i want to ask you about something that happened today at the republican leadership conference in new orleans. the organizers printed this ob