when i came in here, the reason i was late, howard dean was calling me and he said, you're not going this. >> i had no idea. you shouldn't believe this. >> he said have you read peggy noonan's column? >> howard said this to me, mika, please read this. >> seriously, howard dean. >> the president, if he's trying to overt a debt crisis, he should stay in the office, meet with people. it's odd how he patronizes those with more experience in debt and national affairs. he should keep his face-off tv, get a responsible deal and reemerge with joy as he anounszs it to the nation. for now, for his sake and the sake of an ultimate plan, he should choose strategic silence. really, recent presidents forget to shut up. they lose sight of how grating they are. i don't agree with that. >> are you talking president clinton or president obama? >> they have the same problem. >> i think talking recent presidents. >> i think, by the way -- >> i think clinton offered a lot. >> she's talking president obama. >> i think she's wrong. obama has had a great two or three weeks, i really do. he's on television a

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. >> former governor howard dean. good to have you on board this morning. >> thanks, mika. >> there's so many headlines, news of the world going down and what it means or if it will or if it will be rebranded. one thing we'll be talking about. in yemen, the president was seriously wounded in an explosion. he made an appearance. very awkward looking, very different and what it means. we'll talk about that as well. i want to bring this up because it plays in the budget. sorry, where is my obesity story. >> i had a thing about a 20-pound cat. >> that's stupid. obesity rates rise 90% since 1995. this is incredible. each of these states look at how much is spent on obesity related illnesses. medicare and medicaid spend 20% of their budget to treat illnesses and these numbers are staggering. it plays into the debate we are having in washington. >> this september in new york, for the first time ever, governments are going to gather to talk about noncommune cal diseases. obesity is one of the biggest drivers of health care co

four years later, howard dean came up from nowhere to create a very viable campaign on the internet. remember, you have the power. and then another four years later, the obama campaign perfected organizing on the internet with $6.5 million raised and three million people recruited, signed up with the campaign. the average online gift of obama's campaign was $80 and the average donor gave again and again. that's how you build it. >> that's a gold mine. the obama campaign perfected it. we don't know what the next iteration of that is going to be. but it's very clear that if you want to keep your base in politics together, and if you want to keep a young demographic on your side, one place to do it, the republicans were light years behind the democrats last time around. one place to do it is on the internet. you'll notice when the president does his saturday morning address, it used to be just a radio address. now it's a video. chris: five years from now, will politicians running from president -- for president be tweeting all day? >> it'll all be on cell phones. donations on cell phone

howard dean, former chairman of the democratic national committee. i have to tell you, in addition what we heard about that bickering between harry reid and mitch mcconnell and proceeded by mitch mcconnell saying we are close to a deal, we are monitoring "meet the press" and have white house adviser saying no, we don't have a deal yet. me what's going on right now politically speaking. democrats and republicans seem to be just side stepping each other to try it get a deal with the white house. what's happening. >> what you have is a committed extreme right wing who are not going to give in on anything. the challenge is to put it together without them. he will have to risk his speakership in order to do what is right for the country. that's the biggest problem. >> okay. howard, all of these reports have a nugget at the center of them that save us a tentative agreement on a framework of a deal. that would cut over a trillion in spending. medicare is exposed to deeper cuts. what's your reaction? >> we can't ask middle class people to take it on the chin

. >>> joining me now is former governor howard dean, former chair of the democratic national committee, and a cnbc contributor. thank you for joining me tonight, governor dean. >> thank you for having me on, lawrence. i love that line about public insanity. that's what it is. >> and you hear boehner now talking about, hey, 25% of these people are freshmen in the house of representatives. what he's trying to say if you've got to understand how hard it is, working with these amateurs, trying to make them even understand what the debt ceiling is. >> he's in a tough position, worse than mcconnell, i think. if i'm john boehner, i look at the analysis this way. i could lose my speakership if i make a deal, but i'm definitely going to lose my speakership if i don't make a deal, because this is killing the republicans. if we go over the cliff, we're going to pay the debts. and then the president is going to have to say but we can't pay the veterans and the social security and the military contractors and so forth and so on, because we can't do both with no money coming in from the debt ceiling

howard dean is lying.ing to seniors in this country and trying to use them as political pawns. we take in 200 billion dollars a month. all that means we can pay for all the things you said, medicare, medicaid, social al security, the military and interest on the debt is that correct? >> that's a fact. we can pay those things. i'm sure if we don't raise the debt limit by august 2nd, that we would pay those things. it has been been irresponsible to imply and threaten we are going to default, seniors are not going to get tear checks. a scare tactic meant to intimidate republicans to giving them the debt limit increase with no spending cuts and no changes to this broken promise we have. we shouldn't fall for>[noçz9vr . >> sean: this is frustrating. i think we would have to expect the president of the united states to tell the american people the truth. what he's saying is factually untrue. >> it is untrue. the facts are what they are. this is not just me, there are left of center think tanks. by the way, they

and last night on "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell, lawrence asked howard dean about the challenge house speaker john boehner is facing on this debt deal, considering the amount of friction that exists within his own party. >> he has to do something really unusual. i've seen it done before, but it's unusual, and that is he has to pass a bill with republican and democratic votes. he needs to be talking with pelosi right now about how they can get this together and pass something that's fairly moderate and just throw the tea party people over the side. some of them are so extreme they're not going to get re-elected anyway. he's in a really tough spot. he's an adult, mcconnell's an adult. there are not too many of those in the house caucus that, or at least not enough of them, to pass a reasonable bill. look, this is lunacy what these folks are doing. they basically are destroying the social safety net of the country and ultimately they're going to destroy the country should they ever get in charge. i think the american public's got to be terrified of what they see that's been unleash

the example is the democrats in 2004 when they finally decided, you know what, we've had howard deanour front-runner for nine months but he can't win. >> that model, the howard dean model is one worth looking at here. let me ask about michele bachmann. i think it's interesting, one thing she has done here, positioned herself such that what you say, mitt romney's the better choice, or she's not serious -- every one of those spins into the story that says, you see how much i'm the right person for you? because the whole establishment is against me. >> yeah. she's obviously appealing to the populist strain within the party. >> enough that she could win the nomination? >> i think it's a difficult road for her, honestly. i think if you look past iowa and perhaps a couple of other states that have traditionally selected the most conservative candidates that have been in the yield, then the path to victory becomes challenging. could she do it? is she up to the job? is she a smart woman? does she have charisma? she has those things. she's nobody's fool. it's not -- i don't think it's a flash

but -- so we don't yet know if she's the howard dean of the republican party or if she's a serious contender. we'll find out. >> would you compare her to sara pail snn >> one respect she looks like her. that's the only obvious comparison. beyond that she constantly tries to introduce herself as someone who a different than sarah palin. she calls herself scholarly. she has a law degree. she practiced law. so she is different in that respect. but they're definitely tapping into the same type of frustration levels out there. but she's doing it more from the inside. she's an of the moment politician who is fighting from the inside. sarah palin was more fighting from the outside. but what she has done is taken up that space in this republican field. sarah palin was in iowa briefly, not nearly as much attention as michele bachmann. >> one other question about fundraising, how are the other candidates doing? >> mitt romney is going to raise $20 million this quarter. it's still much better than everyone else. the others are struggling to raise even almost 1/4 as much money. >> thank you. from the mo

but -- so we don't yet know if she's the howard dean of the republican party or if she's a serious contender. we'll find out. >> would you compare her to sara pail snn >> one respect she looks like her. that's the only obvious comparison. beyond that she constantly tries to introduce herself as someone who a different than sarah palin. she calls herself scholarly. she has a law degree. she practiced law. so she is different in that respect. but they're definitely tapping into the same type of frustration levels out there. but she's doing it more from the inside. she's an of the moment politician who is fighting from the inside. sarah palin was more fighting from the outside. but what she has done is taken up that space in this republican field. sarah palin was in iowa briefly, not nearly as much attention as michele bachmann. >> one other question about fundraising, how are the other candidates doing? >> mitt romney is going to raise $20 million this quarter. it's still much better than everyone else. the others are struggling to raise even almost 1/4 as much money. >> thank you. from the mo

she is accused of numerous gaffed which remind us of howard dean.r this moment when he got knocked out of the 2004 presidential race? >> going to south carolina, oregon and michigan and then we're going to washington, d.c. to take back the white house! yeah! >> weekly contributor lz granderson says bachmann is the new howard dean with far more gaffes and she is still a contender. lz, you say she is not fit for the white house but she has dominated the headlines, increased her popularity and is legitimately running for president. she has got a following. >> reporter: i know! i know! can you believe it? i mean, i really am confused by this, i really am. it reminds me of what happened here in michigan back in 1998 when we hadeverry figer who is famous for defending zach kevorkian. he ran for golf and like bachmann made serious erroneous statements and he was the contender. i said what is going on. >> you say she has been given a pass. why do you say that and what do you mean? >> reporter: i don't know if it's a pass as much as she has an -- a group tha

howard dean my old boss supports the idea of these these kinds of tax credits. democrats have to get to. we have to win on jobs. all this other stuff is posturing. >> sean: let me go to tony. this is a moment of truth for these republicans. if they screw this up and they get screwed in this deal, i think every one of them will be primary -- >> in 1988 president herbert walker bush said no new taxes, he got defeated. i was there with newt, we break with him on that if the republicans -- their only excuse for existing right now in washington is to lower the deficit and not by raising taxes. if they decide to get sucked into what is almost certainly going to be phony accounting tricks -- you are right they are going to get primaried, they deserve it, it will be a catastrophe for republicans and the country. this is a big moment. >> sean: this is a big moment. >> you are talking about the politics aspect. look, a real conservative is gonna say this is the opportunity to cut down, cut trillions of spending. this is one of the things, you know, look, reagan, both you

if she can do that we'll have a howard dean phenomenon.er people, there weren't that many bright sides for people with the exception of ron paul from texas. he's also able to raise a lot of monday in small chunks. >> let me turn to the president. they had a $60 million fundraising goal for this quarter. we still don't know if they reached it. they don't set those goals unless they are sure they will reach them. are we getting any sense of whether they are getting those small donations that they put so much stake in to show that the president has this sort of very broad support? >> they definitely hope they will get those small donation. they were trying every gimmick. have dinner with the president. have incident engineer with the vice president. raffles. contests. one of the reasons they want these small donation because it's a sign of support but brings down the average contribution size. some of these people are writing checks for, you know, some $38,000 for the joint committee between the president's re-elect and democratic national co

a bet earlier today, i spoke with dnc chairman howard dean who said both sides need to get somethingal. >> a definition of compromise is everybody gets something as a democrat, i'm willing to get something in order to get stability. but i'd like to see the republicans put their billionaire friends on the line too. i think everybody ought to be able to put something in. and if you ask for compromises, you have to ask sacrifices from the bill on airs that the republicans represent. >>> now we have karen finney and robert trane. good morning you two. >> good morning. >> get any sleep? just kidding. what a long weekend, right? but a source close to the house congressive caucus tells us that many members are suspiciously spooked between a deal between the gop and house. are democrats giving up too much? >> there is the concern they are giving up too much. as was said in one of the last segments, the devil will be in the details. over the last couple of weeks, bits and pieces leaking out, but not a real picture of what the deal is, we saw something kind of interesting, which is part of why

. >> some have suggested michele bachmann in iowa could turn out to be the howard dean.heard of that analogy. >> i sure have. and you talk to people around town and there were people talking about the idea of sarah palin getting in the race running against sort of canceling out michele bachmann because there's fear that she gets started like a house fire and then it all just sinks, which could leave some republicans in a bad position. >> and let's be cautious right now, this is still very, very early. >> very. >> because at this stage pour years ago -- >> it's fun. >> we were talking about president giuliani as a lot of viewers probably remember. >> and on the republican side, this was about the time when we were saying john mccain had not a very good chance and turned out to do quite well. >> all of a sudden huckabee came up and didn't necessarily turn out all that great either. all right, thanks very much. see you sunday on state of the union. have you into at good show lined up? >> we'll talk about the american dream, but we have suze orman to talk about financial sec

[applause] >> as be fitting my seat on the stage, i started off in politics working on howard dean's presidential campaign and i think represent the far right wing of the panel today. the first two years of obama in a lot of ways gives true to the old political saying that one campaigns in poetry and governs in froze. the thing that obama have learned in many hard way is over the last two years is governing is a lot harder than talking about governing. and as much as we like to think closing guantanamo would be an easy thing to do it turns out for all sorts of reasons only some of which are related to the republican party it is not. that is a subject i spent a lot of time working on in the last two years as i have been researching this book on the fbi so i followed a lot more of obama's national security plans and strategies and evolutions then i have the other issues that katrina vanden heuvel and eric alterman will talk about. the world with a complicated place and we have seen obama repeatedly buffeted by global events outside of his control coming in when he did with the financia

your point, andrea, this debt limit issue i think could be for michele bachmann what iraq was for howard dean can push her party and where a lot of grassroots activists in the party are concerned about the establishment wing of the party caving in to the opposition and a candidate like dean in '03 and bachmann right now has a real opportunity here i think to sort of push her party from the right. the grassroots of the gop right now are very skeptical towards washington. their own party included. i think it's a smart move for her to really take a hard stance on this debt limit issue. >> thanks so much. good to see you, jonathan martin. >> thank you. >>> budget poker. what cards will the democrats be playing? senator chuck schumer and congressman chris van hollen are joining us. >>> plus the casey anthony countdown. days to go until she's free from jail. >>> and send me your thoughts. [ male announcer ] this is larry... whose long day starts with arthritis pain... and a choice. take tylenol arthritis and maybe up to six in a day... or choose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. happy cho

communications director for house speaker dennis hastert and kristy, former spokeswoman for vermont governor howard dean, and the president of new heights communications. it's nice to see you both. thank you for being here. rob, let me start with you. is senator mccain right? >> i think senator mccain has a great point in that we want to get to some type of deal that does a massive amount of spending cuts, but doesn't do tax increases. i think to oppose a deal is extremely dangerous if we actually default, but right now i think every leader, the president and republican leaders agree, that they don't want to get that far. but we can't have tax increases because a tax increase is not created a job, it's not a silverbullet. and no president frankly has ever been reelected since fdr for trying to raise taxes. >> rick: at the same time when we look at this debate that is going on now, kristy, do you think that there is any chance that the president of the united states, democratic president will be talking about making cuts to entitlements and cutting government spending were it not for demands from the rep

joining us from new york joe trippi howard dean's former campaign manager and dana perino former bush press secretary and both are fox news contributors. great to see both of you. i'm watching this ad and i think very hot. that's the best i have seen of mitt romney in many, many, many months, maybe years, dana. he wasn't in the ad. very interesting. >> target of opportunity today. so i was told it was a coincidence that president obama and mitt romney end up in pennsylvania at the same time. but the romney people are very a jury trial. they are agile and they are smart and took advantage of the opportunity. the fact that the president talked about allen town and then allen town is actually closing manufacturing jobs. the ad is brilliant. he has consistently got very good ads that are provocative and well put together. i think the thing i think about romney is he is running against obama. everybody else is fighting it out and he is just like i'm the frontrunner, i'm going to act like it. >> laura: he is acting like it. joe, lime looking at all these polls that a republican fairs very w

applause] >> well, as befitting my seat on the stage i think as i started off in politics working on howard dean'spresidential campaign and i think i represent the far right wing of the panel today. [laughter] >> i think that the first two years of obama, in a lot of ways gives truth to the old political saying that one campaigns and politics and governance in prose. and that what, the lesson i think that obama has learned in many hard ways over the last two years is that governing is a lot harder than talking about governing. and that as much as we like to think that closing guantÁnamo would be an easy thing to do, it turns out that for all sorts of reasons, only some of which are related to the republican party, it's not. and that's a subject i spent a lot of time on the last two years as i have been researching this book on the fbi. i have followed a lot more of obama's national security plans and strategies. and evolutions that i have some of the other issues which i think katrina and eric will talk more about. but that the world is an immensely complicated place and we have seen obama repeate

joining us now fox news contributor joe trippi who was the campaign manager for howard dean. what did you make of old jerry nadler? i think there is a shift in the discussion $14.5 trillion later. now it's not a deficit problem. it's only an employment problem. >> that actually should have been a good piece of the democratic message. the whole time during the debt crisis thing. he has a point. i mean, one of the reasons you have all of these people out of work. they are not -- you don't pay taxes when you are out of work. you actually need unemployment benefits. we should be addressing that and neither party has been talking about it. >> laura: i think the republicans have been talking about 9.2% unemployment quite a bit. >> talking about in the debt crisis they have been talking about cutting, spending, cutting taxes. >> laura: but, joe. >> none of that is going to create jobs. >> laura: when the president came out, i forget how many times he has come out. every other night is he doing men mental press conference or speech. he disawnt talk about unemployment. is he not talki

the howard dean movement got consumed with a democratic party and power structure peelected chairman.ed for the anti-war candidate, barack obama and now where is the anti-war left? they don't exist for the most part. >> brilliant on the democrats's part to do that, by the way. >> the oldest trick in the scout master's handbook. you get the trouble makeaire responsible role and he becomes the enforcer for you. here is one of the ways that you get around it. first off, dylan, be optimistic. if the soviet union could collapse it shouldn't be hard to push nancy pelosi and john boehner around. i don't think. beyond that, you know, the fact that we're out of money at every level. the federal, state and local level, means that politicians, they can't just get the money from the industries you're talking about. they've got to get it from taxpayers, and taxpayers increasingly are saying, we've had enough. again, we might disagree on a lot of the, the solutions to the questions that are being raised, but the questions are being raised and you're seeing politicians who are breaking with the mold

>> howard dean said it's off the table, you can't touch that. that is every bit as reckless and irresponsible as saying you are not going to raise taxes. >> you note at the beginning of what i said, for the long term, you need to deal with entitlements. but, now, the democrats in congress accepted the notion that a package they would sign on to includes three quarters of the proportion of what would be taken out would be from the spending side. so, democrats are at least open to the notion of cutting spending. they are not open to the notion of cutting spending, but open to cutting it more than the revenues they can raise. >> here is a problem, too. if you rule, jeffrey sachs help me out here, you are an economist, while i went to the university of alabama. if you are going to rule out medicare now and say yeah, we are going to make big cuts but rule out medicare. that means democrats are focusing on 10%, discretionary spending that is our investments, r & d, education, infrastructure. the things we need to double and triple down on. the things

but again, rudolph giuliani or hillary clinton or howard dean would be president if the early polls meante "los angeles times" about style. "tim pawlenty's presidential campaign rests on this question. will republican voters itching for confrontation with president obama deliver their nomination to a man who tends toward soft-spoken and bland?" >> if people want entertainer in chief, they should vote for someone else. we had three years of soaring rhetoric and a president who gave false hopes to the country. if you want somebody with executive leadership, not just rhetoric, but results on taxes, on spending, on health care, on jobs and the like, then vote for me. the other thing i would say, david, is i've got the record of toughness better than anybody else in this race. my goodness, i was the first governor in minnesota's history to shut down the government. i set a record for vetoes. i took more money out of the budget using an executive authority than all of the other governors combined in my state, so, in terms of demonstrating fortitude? >> right. >> i'm an old hockey player. i've b

rick and i served with rod blagojevich and howard dean. [laughter] we also shared something in common. it has already been alluded to. when i was running that first time in a close election, i would not have been elected as governor of colorado. as the lieutenant manchin, i am a native of texas, born and mentioned, i am a native of texas, born and raised in texas. three texans were serving as governors of three different states. rick perry it myself and a man by the name of jeb bush. rick and i do have one important difference. i was accepted into the university of texas. he had to go to texas a&m. [laughter] rick perry has built a strong and consistent record as a conservative during his 11 years as governor of texas. he is a leader in emphasizing the role of states in our federal system. he has frequently taken on the federal government also overreaching into our areas of state primacy. a strong fiscal conservative. he vetoed more than $3 billion in budgeted items and cut taxes tax rates for everybody. whether it is taking on the trial l

the last time we had an incumbent president in the race, howard dean was a frontrunner e polled bestgainst george w. bush. as soon as john kerry became the frontrunner he polled the best. if anybody bests mitt romney i would expect their numbers to improve. mitt romney is getting 78% of the republican vote for rick perry it's only 69%. a lot of those republicans would come home if he won the nomination. jon: as you were saying before basically anybody who has a big r in front of their name polls pretty well against the sitting president right now. >> yeah, again, the president's numbers are consistency in the 40s no matter what republican is there. if you get to some of the lesser known people like herman cain or jon huntsman thei their numberse lower. this is likely to be a referendum on the citying president. a lot will depend on how the competent does between now and 2012. jon: you asked voters how closely they are spending attention to the tax, spending and debt sealing debate. you have 48% that are paying very close attention. when you ask them if the coverage and the president

howard dean was the first to speak out strongly. he roared out and couldn't even win in iowa.ot to des parnlg governor dean he buttons made that said dated dean, married kerry maybe they will say dated bachman, married pawlenty. >> he has to be a champion for the middle class. hez has to be that fighter and he is showing no passion. he has to have a message that works he has no passion the champion for the middle class does that and it can catch fire so far >> he won iowa. he picked fights and called it a conservative gruba a club for greed. he thought they represented big business. he took a stand with edge to it in his party and they helped aim i had lot. if you are going to be the middle class guy, pawlenty may be a guy who can do that. john huntsman won't. >> here didn't show much strength when he had the obama care thing. if he had the strength to go after the opponents, he will have the message against the guys to run against be very convincing he is flat >> a new arrest in the empire. it's driving home the media mogul's connections. montana's governor tans parts of his

the former campaign manager for howard dean. martha: we take a look. it's a long ways out.l election in 2012 and often you see the national numbers and how the president stacks up against any republican is one we looked at recently. but when you look at battle ground states, the presidency is won as you know state by state. when you look at that break down it's looking troubling for him. >> it is. these are 50 state contests. you have got to win the electoral votes to get to 270, 271 votes. we have seen the last few have been relatively close. except obama won by so many of these states in 2008 that he can lose a number of them and still win the presidency. but the polling numbers look like they are becoming tougher. martha: the folks focused on his elections would look as the these numbersage this is how they shape up. in ohio he has a 50% disapproval number. in michigan which he won handsly, 57% of the vote in michigan. he's trailing mitt romney in michigan. 60% of the people they questioned in michigan said he's doing a fair or poor job as president. in iowa romney leads

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