pretty easy to understand why howard dean failed. so much of the literature on presidential primaries focuses. once you stumble and have something bad happen it is difficult to recover. the real trouble is how he ever got to be the front runner in the first place. there would argue that the answer has to be the internet. in practice in 2000 for the internet was essentially a primary, digital primary. a primary a lung a very liberal constituency. more less won that primary. he walked away with it. at the same time essentially does not help you when you have to go up against voters in iowa. >> you have a chart in your book. total web traffic. >> one of the things that the book tart about is that if we are thinking of how the internet is going to change politics we have to start with the facts. politically relevant traffic is a tiny, tiny portion of what people do online. if elected the categories of where people go, more than 10% is pornographic content. web mail, search engines. news and media assets including everything from entertai

i think dean and dean howard -- that's a bad joke. this shocks the progressive. uld we just do it for love. >> bill: he's lobbying and he's getting paid by this group, dean, to -- >> we don't know that he's lobbying. he's made speeches for them, but so has rudy guiliani. >> bill: come on y would they do that unless they were getting paid? >> because they say, oh, we have howard dean speaking here in belgium. >> bill: and they wouldn't do that unless they were greasing him. >> yeah. >> bill: so he's getting money from these people. >> so i make speeches for money. >> bill: yeah. you do the chamber of commerce in toledo. not the muhadajean. >> if i believed in their cause, which he says he does. >> bill: is that socialized medicine people? >> he's also taken money to change the patent rules for pharmaceutical companies. i don't blame him for doing that. >> bill: dean is a lobbyist now, that's what he does and he gets paid by msnbc. solyndra update? it seems some of the big shots in the white house, they warned the president! they said you can't give these people $50

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. >> and so are howard dean and thomas friedman. >> pass this jobs bill. pass this bill. let's pass this bill. >> pass this bill. pass this bill. >> pass this bill. >> let's do this. >> and ronald reagan's daughter doesn't think the republicans running for president really get ronald reagan. >> you're asking a hypothetical question. >> there's only one candidate that's won anything in this race and it's me. >> this pretty boy or that pretty boy? >> oh, goodness. >> the reagan revolution. >> rick perry likes to portray himself as a straight talking cotton farmer's son. >> president reagan's daughter, patty davis, joins me. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> does any of the blame belong to you? >> yes, because for many years i was a democrat. oh, shut up. >>> the american jobs act is now in the hands of congress. today in the rose garden, president obama unveiled his jobs bill, 155 pages of legislative language that detailed the broad proposals the president laid out last week in his nationally televised speech to congress in which he urged hem to pass p

>> that's a great line, rick perry, the howard dean of the republican party. for that. >> the question for perry, he hasn't done anything that irreparably damage his presidential campaign. but the question for him is, can he improve? he's gotten off to a very slow start. he's shown little signs of improving. some of his answers were more polished, but they still were in the wrong direction. so can he get better and sort of save this sinking ship? and away from president the politics for a second, we're back to a congress that is apparently now -- fema is the latest hostage that's been wheeled out of the crazy den for the pro-wrestling events. obviously, we have launched this series on money in politics. obviously, the level of frustration, the disapproval ratings, i could pick any category of any person, they're like, i hate those guys, they're unreliable, they're corrupt, day don't want to solve the problem, et cetera, et cetera. and yet the only thing -- it's almost like reflexive, like if i hit your knee at the doctor's office, your knee goes up. it's almos

the argument in that chapter is that it's pretty easy to understand why howard dean failed haag. so much of the literature on the presidential primary focus is on the momentum and what you stumble once you have something that had in your campaign it's difficult to recover with the puzzle is how he ever got to be the front runner, the democratic front-runner in the first place in their i would argue answer has to be the internet but in practice in 2000 for the internet was the essentially have a primary have a digital primary for the democrats and a primary on a very liberal constituency, yadin more or less on the primary, he walked away with it total web traffic. >> one of the things that talks about if we talk about how the internet is going to change politics we have to start with the facts and the facts are the relevant traffic is this tiny, tiny portion of what people like julie do longline. if categories about 10% more than 10% of what people do online is what is the content. one is slightly less than what people do and the news and the media include everything from entertai

is she the howard dean of the 2012 race? what has happened to her?was a lot stronger than her for a lot longer. if you remember, a few weeks ago, ari and i got in a tiff. i didn't think she was serious three weeks ago. i'm not surprised by this at all. i doubt that america's very surprised by it either. it was a really boon, but you can sense it wasn't going anywhere. i still think you this only makes it more likely that sarah palin will get in. i still think she will. >> you still think she may really? >> i do. i absolutely do. >> why? what makes you think that? >> well, i think that if you look at just what she's been doing and everything else, that now that bachmann has collapsed, i think she'll look at that and sense that there's sort of a spot for her in that. i thought she was going to get in for a long time. i still do. and i don't think that she's on a normal campaign schedule like anybody else. i think she has her own way of doing things and her own time schedule. the more this goes on, the more i think she'll get in. >> erick, do you think

. >> howard dean -- >> howard dean, for example, who's an angry candidate. but -- >> bob dole. >> the strategic use of anger, right, the strategic use of anger to suit the times, i think, is appropriate. and i think he is very much aligned with the zeitgeist of the times. >> let's take a look at this. here's how the republicans stand right now. there's been very little movement and it looks like it's frozen now until the next debate, whether christie gets in or not. let's take a look at this. mitt romney's at 23, but he's been at 23 for about five years right now. rick perry's fallen ten points to 19. that's movement in the wrong direction. look at this. herman cain is now in contention. he didn't just win that straw vote down there in florida last week. look at him! he's at 17. he's within striking distance. john, you covered this. is he actually a candidate now who could win this nomination? >> no. >> what's it mean to be up that high? >> it means there's been a collapse in support for rick perry, that he's given some good debate performances, people like

democrats have had in the past with howard dean.ave to c come down and say which way would you go? the guy that you can rely on ideolocally or the guy that had the better chance of winning? i would invoke the buckley rule. he said i always vote for the most conservative candidate who can win. in 1980, ronald reagan had to make a threshold is he acceptable, can you live with this guy? he had been demonized in the past as radical -- radical ideologue, he was accepted, he wins. obama will be relatively weak. high unemployment. that will be the threshold for the question of any republican. is he electable? does he meethe threshold that independence and disaffected democrats would accept? so far i think romney is dng that. >> anyone who doubts the republican party is a far more conservativenstitution that was when george w. bush ran and won in 2000 and 2004, the evidence last night was abundant. here is rick perry, governor of texas, has a program that if you are the child of undocumented immigrants who come to this country, you grow up

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is she the howard dean of the 2012 race? what has happened to her? >> well, no, howard dean was a lot stronger than her for a lot longer. if you remember, a few weeks ago, ari and i got in a tiff. i didn't think she was serious three weeks ago. i'm not surprised by this at all. i doubt that america's very surprised by it either. it was a really boon, but you can sense it wasn't going anywhere. i still think you this only makes it more likely that sarah palin will get in. i still think she will. >> you still think she may really? >> i do. i absolutely do. >> why? what makes you think that? >> well, i think that if you look at just what she's been doing and everything else, that now that bachmann has collapsed, i think she'll look at that and sense that there's sort of a spot for her in that. i thought she was going to get in for a long time. i still do. and i don't think that she's on a normal campaign schedule like anybody else. i think she has her own way of doing things and her own time schedule. the more this goes on, the more i think she'll get i

behind to defeat grass in austria the hosts had gone ahead through the beach but goals from big howard dean and to me to teach off gave the russians three points the railway man still sees money jay can see it took charge eleven games to go a look at other results from last night last season's runners up progress started with a three one victory at birmingham city i later became a great great scottish giant celtic team nailed their german cup when he shouted play to score destroyed star and bucharest put them in dutch side after the twenty finished one apiece while stoke also drew one one with the nomic yet in ukraine tottenham against pike salonica finished goalless appears to be hoping to ease your walsall there by a single goal sporting lisbon got a two door victory at zurich and big spending perry's stand your man comfortably got ourselves for a bad read one. another football news bin hammam says he will continue to fight to clear his name if. the for executive member was banned from football by the sport's governing body after claims he tried to bribe other members during fifi's recent

stand mourning the death of its for a president who was a key to go shader with the taliban for howard dean rabbani was killed by a suicide bomber areas home in the capital kabul on tuesday it's believed the explosives were hidden in the attackers turban rabbani had led peace talks with insurgents over the last year and was considered one of the most influential figures in the country the killings the latest in a string of high profile assassinations in afghanistan and second taliban attack on kabul in a week. he was the last channel to interview mr of for his death blamed the mayor occupation of his country for the ongoing civil war which has claimed thousands of lives. the people of afghanistan do not want foreign troops to stay here we don't want our nation's security to depend on a foreign military presence it's simply unacceptable however considering the critical security situation in our country the lack of stability and the continuing armed clashes were forced to tolerate the presence of nato but there would never have been a civil war in afghanistan and no problems with the taliban

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and front runners in 2007 look at polls in 2007 where rudy guiliani and fred thompson and in 2003 howard deannd wesley clark. you can have a nominee that is not a front runner. >> chris: why? >> this is not a good primary season and i am talk taking a quote. people who havability lack conviction and they are not on the stage. there is a hankering for someone to come in after perry made the pump. it was a bump in terms of republican confidence. that number is going back down. but the ippression they are giving to the nation as a hole. it is a limited conversation among the tea party element and far right of the republican party. not only three dollars for cut and one dollar for a tax hike. and immigration argument that held center with perry saying children of illegal irmglant should be qualified to get state aid. and that is important for the hispanic. and i am watching that show. gee. these people don't like immigrants of any stripe. >> chris: once again. bill kristol having his hopes dashed about ryan in the race. and now his heard is won to chris christie. two questions, are we overly hars

. >> i can't wait until this debate. >> howard dean was a frontrunner. remember the front page of the magazines with howard dean on the front cover back then. whoen who ended up winning? >> will perry be able to stand up to all the reporters' questions. feeling is he will be definitely the one -- the lightning rod there and you have mitt romney, will he stay in the witness protection program, as his opponents say. bachmann, how she's going to react. what are you going to say? you look poised to say something. i'm trying to have your back as well. >> we're going to talk about this. yesterday morning, chris wallace predicted this might make headlines here on our show from "fox news sunday" his interview with vice president dick cheney. he said this might stir the pot a little bit. you might hear more about this. what vice president dick cheney thinks the united states might look this morning if hillary clinton was elected president as opposed to barack obama. listen. >> perhaps, she might have been easier for some of us who are critics of the president who

democrats fell in love with howard dean, because he had been out there, banging the war, he was the anti-wardate, and about 30 days out, these democrats all said, okay, what's the question? and they decided the question was -- who had a chance to beat george w. bush? they just moved to kerry. i mean, one of my close friends who worked for dean said we got all of our 1s, our sure voteers to the caucuses. i went to a caucus and watch half of our 1s walk across the room and vote for john kerry. i think it's about a seven-point, six-point difference between how they run, the two of them, perry and romney, against obama, as significant enough to let them override their suspicions of romney and attraction to perry. >> don't forget in some states you have independenting participating in the process, which in new hampshire, the last poll i saw again they're just polls, romney had a 41-8 lead. >> that's a disaster, by the way. his expectations are so high in new hampshire, it seems like hi own home state, and jon huntsman now has 10%. most of the votes huntsman will take in new hampshire are votes th

i ran the howard dean campaign. loved the red meat, the guy that spoke to their heart in the end they got pragmatic they wanted the guy they thought was going to beat george bush that was kerry. >> sean: big bore. kerry was a horrible candidate. >> that's what a lot of republicans think romney is. very interesting the parallels are actually pretty -- >> i think there's a sentiment of perceived he -- elect aeult. people want someone -- electability. people want someone who is going to beat barack obama. there's a sense romney comes from a more blue state. >> sean: romney is the governor of massachusetts. if you go back some of ronald reagan's positions, they weren't exactly conservative when he was governor. >> they weren't as conservative when he was president right now. i feel like there's the reagan we talk about and the one that existed. we have this thing -- >> sean: he was a conservative president. >> the tax rate was at 27% when he was -- >> sean: 90 to 28%. >> it is 23 right now. we have this thing, sean know

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in a very weak field, the democratic donor class unhappy with john kerry, unhappy with howard dean, begging to get in. and her considering it as late as november of 2003, and then deciding not to run. and i think that the history has shown that hillary clinton missed her time. 2004 was the year she should have run. and when 2008 came around, it wasn't her time anymore. and barack obama stepped in and took it away from her. and i think that could easily happen to christie again in 2016 if he wants to try to run then. >> bottom line, yes or no, you thought she could have won in 2004? >> i do, i think she could have won the nomination and the presidency. >> okay. receive, what's missing in the republican soup right now that they are looking so hard for christie? >> i think electability is going to be a key issue in the republican race. and i think mitt romney has done a tremendous job in these debates. just an enormous improvement from four years ago. >> but they don't like him. >> i think he's actually quite good. but i think that there's elements of the republican party that haven't settled

. ♪ >>> governor howard dean says the president's americans job act is brilliant politics. goolsbee joins me next to explain how good policy makes good politics. >>> and later, rick perry went to liberty university today to court the religious right. the author of "god, no!" penn jillette joins me to talk about religion and politics. pxpñ >>> i love you, barack! >> i love you back. [ applause ] but if you love me, if you love me, you have to help me pass this bill. if you love me, you have to help me pass this bill. it starts with your help. >> that was 2 of the 24 times president obama called on congress to pass this bill in his 19-minute speech at north carolina state university in raleigh today. the president spoke to more than 9,000 people packed into the school's unair-conditioned fieldhouse. the fired up crowd was a bright spot for the obama white house today. so, too, is a new poll that shows support for the american jobs act. the new cnn opinion research poll shows 43% of people support the proposals in the american jobs act while 35% oppose them. the individual pro

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red state's erick erickson calls bachmann's claims the gop equivalent to howard dean's scream.this an odd and unfortunate moment for her? >> i agree with a lot of what michele bachmann said about government mandating a vaccine. there have been people who died from it and had severe reactions. i can't address the mental retardation. as i recall, michele bachmann never said a doctor has proven mental retardation is caused by it. she said a mother told her that that her own daughter suffered from mental retardation. is that attributable to the vaccination? i don't know. i don't think michele bachmann said that other than to repeat what the mother said to her. there have been severe reactions up to and including death as a result of this vaccination. that's not a lie. >> mike, the american academy of pediatrics says that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that the hpv shot or any other vaccine causes retardation. why in the world would bachmann get herself hung up in this country of words and not being able to explain it? >> dr. bachmann was being the typical extremist oppo

warning, the person who has been the front-runner the past two election cycles, whether in 2004 with howard dean at this point in the summer or mitt romney or hillary clinton in 2008, sometimes being the front-runner in the summer isn't the recipe for success once you get to iowa and new hampshire. >> well taken that point. mark murray, thank you so much. see you again. >>> for the latest political news and analysis from nbc's political unit head to firstread.nbc.com. you can see full field of republican presidential contenders squaring off for the first time in the nbc news politico debate wednesday september 7th, this wednesday, here on msnbc. >>> free in france. former international monetary fund chief dominique strauss-kahn is back in paris, his first time home since a new york hotel maid accused him of attempted rape. annabel roberts is live in london. what have you heard about dsk's return to france? >> well, alex, as you say, two weeks after charges of sexual assault were dropped, dsk is back in paris. he was besieged by photographers when he landed at airport and again when he arrived at

i think back to the 2004 presidential campaign when howard dean was galloping away, democrats were sobush, but they were saying give him hell, somebody who tells it like it is, is going to be fearless, is really going to change things. finally they said john kerry, we don't love him but he might be the guy who could actually get the white house back. if i have to bet, i'd say that's the dynamic that will play out this time. but with 24-hour zyrtec®, i get prescription strength relief from my worst allergy symptoms. so lily and i are back on the road again. with zyrtec®, i can love the air®. that is better than today. since 1894, ameriprise financial has been working hard for their clients' futures. never taking a bailout. helping generations achieve dreams. buy homes. put their kids through college. retire how they want to. ameriprise. the strength of america's largest financial planning company. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you, one-to-one. together, for your future. ♪ today i own 165 wendy's restaurants. and i get my financing from ge capital. but i also get stuff that

remember howard dean as heart. john kerry as head. it's not that different. one is the candidate they love. the other candidate is the one they like, but think other people can like him, too. >> i agree with you. i still think they're looking for more heart and like to have somebody better and smarter than perry. here's frank rich writing in "new york" magazine, "whether perry snares big prize or not he could prove a shock to the system taint mount to barry goldwater in 1964, and just as misestimated now as goldwater was then." he's arguing if perry loses the nomination or election he moves the party further to the right. my belief is they're looking for somebody like perry, who's accomplished in debating, for example. >> the partisans on both sides want to punch each other in the face. republicans, do they want to win or punch obama in the face? people like frank rich want people to do obama in return. that's not what goldwater's -- >> if you saw the republican party moving to the right, i think we do, wouldn't you grab the center that they're leaing behind?

i think back to the 2004 presidential campaign when howard dean was galloping away, democrats were soey were saying give him hell, somebody who tells it like it is, it going to be fearless, is really going to change things. finally they said john kerry, we don't love him but he might be the guy who could actually get the white house back. if i have to bet, i'd say that's the dynamic that will play out this time. >> if the republicans are dating perry, will they marry romney? >> i think we want somebody that can get us back into power. if you're holding the white house and looking to nominate a new person, as the republicans were last time, i think it is a less powerful argument. people forget how terrible it is to be out of power around how much power a president has. how much winning matters. >> president obama's poll problem under the microscope when we come back with our reporter panel. [ horn honks ] ♪ oh, those were the best of days ♪ ♪ i still feel the summer rays ♪ that graced our backs as we went down the lane ♪ [ horn honks ] [ male announcer ] when your car is more than just

we've had people like howard dean and wesley clark named front-runners this early.illary clinton, rudy giuliani, fred thompson, the list goes on. i don't know why we have to name front-runners so early. and this group here these last three days in talking to these delegates, howard, they are soft on perry and romney. that's what led the way for cain. they are very much taken aback by what they see as governor perry's liberal views on treating illegal immigrants. they are underwhelmed by romney's, what they see as his techno carr technocratic style and are tired of the bickering -- >> i want to bring this back to the media experience. david shuster, you worked at fox a long time ago. it's a news network with a lot of conservative anchors, obviously -- >> i still have friends there, too. >> conservative hosts, i should say, not anchors. isn't this the third debate where the fox moderators, megyn kelly, asked tough questions of the candidates? >> look, they did ask some tough questions. but there were also questions, howard, that were frankly incredibly silly and stupi

. >> look what happened to howard dean. >> or rick perry. >> i mean, running, becoming the governor of texas, a republican in a very republican state is different. >> doesn't play in vermont. >> yeah. let's talk about the government that exists right now that everybody is talking about is aspiring to have more influence over. most notably the super committee which is this sort of consolidated power base that is to come up with deficit cutting which on the one hand i look at which seems to be a very practical and useful idea. smaller room and more people talking. on the other hand, i look at the role of money and politics and say hang on a sec, they got a smaller list of people to buy to make sure this happens. it's easier to buy, how many people on this committee, 14, 16, 20, something like that? it's a lot easier to buy them than it is to buy 535 people and suddenly i become nauseous. truly, because now i'm like hang on. we've got the money in politics problem, and we've tightened the width of the pipe so that i only have a smaller dimension to cut off to -- with the green curtain, to

remember howard dean as heart, john kerry as head. it's not that different.he other candidate is the one they like but think other people can like him, too. >> i think they're still looking for more heart and like to have somebody better and smarter than perry maybe. frank rich writes whether perry snares the big prize or not, key prove a shock to the system tantamount to barry gold water in '64 and just as underestimated as gold water was. a little strange writer there.' as gold water was. a little strange writer there. i think he's arguing even if perry loses the election, he sill mov still moves the party ahead. >> i think people on both sides, the partisans on both sides want to punch each other in the face. they get a lot of satisfaction from that. and the question for republicans is do they want to win or do they want to punch obama in the face. for people like frank rich, they want obama to do the same in return. that's not -- >> what's the argument rich makes? if you saw the republican party moving to the right, and i think we do, wouldn't you grab th

if howard dean or john kerry had shown up in new york city while president bush was at the united nations during unga week here in 2003, stood with foreign nationals to criticize among the iraq war, what kind of condemnation would that have drawn? yesterday rick perry seized a new cycle opportunity, showing up in this new york to condemn the president's policy on israel. >> we would not be here today at this very precipice of such a dangerous move if the obama policy in the middle east wasn't naive and arrogant, misguided and dangerous. it is time to change our policy of appeasement toward the palestinians, to strengthen our ties with the nation of israel. >> the whole idea of politics stopping at the water's edge is never -- is never abided by with politicians when it comes to israel. israel is a domestic political issue, if you will. particularly it's good primary politics for rick perry. you understand where he's going with, why the event seemed to be good in the moment. the question was, is the timing appropriate where we are right now? in this precarious 48-hour, 72-hour window? is y

. >> what if howard dean or john kerry had done something like that in 2003 before then-president bush addressed the u.n., what would the reaction have been? >> yeah, location matters and timing matters on this. look, israel is that one international issue that doesn't follow apparently the rules that politics stops at the waterfront, at the edge of the waterfront when it comes to the united states. so it is apparently some of these rules don't apply to politics. but you heard this morning at the -- yes, a former bush foreign policy adviser, sympathetic to mitt romney, standing with members of the israeli parliament to the right of netanyahu on these issues, that the timing of doing it is one thing to be in a new cycle and show yourself as the contrast to president obama. it's another to do it in the middle of the sticky negotiations. and it is -- has that gone too far? lamar alexander, republican senator from tennessee. he was diplomatic when he said, well, i'm sure the perry campaign if they could have done it might have done it differently. but the message works in republican politi