joining me now, howard dean, former dnc chairman. sam stein, huffington post political reporter, and we will soon, i believe, have like russert. we don't have him yet. sam stein, this came at a -- at the end of a day that now seems inevitable. there was no one, absolutely no one saw a way for republicans to win in this fight when they started it. >> yeah, i mean -- what's remarkable is that after two weeks, 2 and a half weeks time, we are ending up where we thought we would be. we wasted -- $24 billion in economic activity along the way. a lot of people had to suffer. we are ending up where the debate wouldened end up. we will fund government for a short period of time. lifting the debt limit with extra ordinary msh urz aeasures. house republicans could have seen this one coming. they should have seen this one coming. they didn't do anything about it. >> howard dean, this comes after an overwhelmingly positive vote in the senate. 81 senators voting in favor. casting the reasonable vote in favor. 18, casting the unreasonable vote agai

that's john boehner. >> was that you, howard dean? >> this is sam. >> go ahead. >> i wanted to say this internal republican caucus mellow drama, they don't exist in a vacuum. i understand he needed to solidify his control over the house and maybe playing this out was the way to do it but in the process many thousands of lives were disrupted and many people were hurt in their personal lives and professional lives. we talked to a number of scientists whose research may have been damaged because they couldn't operate in the government run facilities they normally use. these are not things you should take as power struggling or political manipulation there are costs to these decisions. s & p said it was $24 billion in lost economic activity. was this worth playing this out? >> those are tough -- >> let's go to gene robinson on this. what is the country's verdict going to be on the $24 billion cost of the lesson that john boehner had to teach young republicans? >> well, look, the country's verdict is clear. every poll we've seen shows that

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mele howard dean pat buchanan both made splashes but failed in the end. do you have a reason for that? >> that's a good question. i mean, i think part of that comes down to the dynamics of the american electorate about running caucuses in iowa and primaries in new hampshire to choose leaders. any person questions the wisdom of that. i also think there's a significant -- i'll probably get plenty of e-mails and tweets from angry people, but i think the dynamics of our political process of the presidential primary selection process, both is part of the reason this populous didn't do well, but i think also americans have some sense what they want out of their leaders. and the pop hreufpl is a vehicle for an anger at what a bad job the institutions are doing. that doesn't mean that americans necessarily want the populous leader but they have a great deal of frustration at where the country's at. if you're under 40 in this country, you probably make less money than your parents did at your age. you probably won't be able to afford a home or at least not nice a

we have howard dean and chris chocola. i am beyond frustrated that democrats are in this defensive crouch over a crappy website. i'm frustrated that republicans seem content to sit back and throw rocks. i think for all americans, the whole thing is just ridiculous. they also don't want -- they want this leaders in both parties to come together to fix obama care, to upgrade it. in fact right now we could already have a giant bipartisan upgrade obama care coalition if anyone actually wanted to solve the problems. i hope with kell talk about that tonight. so to you. here's the headlines. health spending rises at blistering pace. it could spend many -- health ware plans are dwindling in the united states. headlines from 2006 and 2005. before obama was elected, before there was obama care, before the shutdown, before the glitchy website, this system was in disarray. can you give us a solution that's not a repeal the whole thing? is there any lucien you can lead us on? >> speaker gingrich has done a lot of work. to read his book

in the crossfire, howard dean, a doctor and form head of the democratic party.rmer congressman who's a critic of the president. what's the best strategy for selling obama care? is there a plan b? is there a plan b? tonight on "crossfire." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>>ing with to. >>> welcome to "crossfire. >>> in the crossfire tonight howard dean and chris chacola. today the head of almost every major insurance company was summoned to the white house for a closed door meeting with the president's closest advisers. you know, we used to think that ceos of the same industry plotting together could only mean bad things for competition and higher prices for the consumer. now these meetings are actually organized and hosted in the white house. welcome to government-run health care. the achievement has been to take the insurance bureaucrats who we're all mad at and add to them the government bureaucrats so they can now both conspire against the individual. doesn't that bother you? come on, a secret meeting in the white house like this? >> i tell you, i'm al

on the left howard dean and on the right dr. charles krauthammer, both doctor by the way. >> i think obama care is in fact going to be the reason that we are going to pick up seats in the house, and we are not going to lose the senate. >> when the other guy is committing suicide, get out of the way. this could be a setback for the entitlement state and the liberal arrogant idea that could set them back for a decade, and they know it. which is why they are terrified. >> dr. dean -- did howard dean think that in 2010 which was an historic loss for the incumbent party after a major piece of legislation was passed? in 2010 the democrats lost more seats than any other party had lost in a first-year mid-term. i don't know what changes all of a sudden for him the calculation that we found out that the president told you something that is not true so now vote for them? >> they were saying in 2010 they were getting people to vote against them. obama and his people were completely outmaneuvered in 2010 which the tea party people who sent

howard dean, former governor of vermont, former chair of the dnc and founder of democracy for americaod to have you with us tonight. >> thanks for having me on, ed. >> absolutely. we've got in that one sentence, we've got totally destroy health care quality of america. total destruction and collapse of our economy. is anything these guys are saying about obama care the truth? >> no. it's ridiculous. it's silly. and it's a little disappointing to have doctors talk like that. i mean, doctors are supposed to be scientifically based, care about what the facts are. i don't think these guys have any idea what the facts are. in fact, i bet they couldn't explain obama care to you. they voted on it. >> exactly. and, you know, 9 million people have checked out health care.gov since october 1st. doesn't this prove there is a need for what has been passed in this country and the more these numbers add up, the more ridiculous they're going to be? >> well, yeah. i mean, i wouldn't go so far to say 9 million people prove they checked it out, prove it's going to be needed. because i am fact-based. bu

and howard dean. you were laughing when i used the words obama care chaos. think everybody should calm down? >> it's not chaos. it's a rollout of a big website. i haven't seen a rollout of a big website in anything, even in the private sector that hasn't had troubles. i think they'll fix it. >> what do you say to those other democrats like joe manchin, yeah, you'll be able to fix it, but it would be smart to have a delay? >> that's too early for that. right now, they think they can fix it by the end of november. unless they thought it was true. they have some really smart people and they private sector company that are supposed to be fixing it. >> bill kristol? >> let's hope they fix it for the sake of the country. they can fix the website but not obama care. the big story this week and last week, people in the individual insurance market, about 15 million, getting notices from their insurance companies they won't be able to renew their policies next year. it doesn't comply with the mandates in obama care. their policies they purchased, individually rated, g

howard dean.t to listen to what the governor of kentucky has to say about his successful start up in his state. let's listen to this. >> at 12:01 a.m., kentuckyians started swarming all over our exchange and our toll free lines and in about four weeks we have had over 300,000 kentuckyians trying to find out and finding out about affordable health care. things are not working on a federal level yet but it's going to. the advice i would give is take a deep breath. >> do you have the same optimism that it is going to work? >> i do eventually. i think the problems that the federal website is having is worse than the problems that the state websites are having in general and that's simply because of the size of the federal website. i think when obama care passed, nobody envisioned that 30 some odd republican governors would refuse medicaid. rsh let's listen to what jay karney had to say about this today. >> what everybody said all along is there will be changes brought about to create minimum standards

we welcome back our two stars, howard dean and dick armey. dick, i want to get your reading on two things. p when you were involved in shutdowns and debt ceiling and budget battles in 1995 and 1996, this is my first question, it bill clip top stiff you, did he say i will not negotiate, i will not meet with you? >> no, as a matter of fact we met extensively and bill clinton was very professionally engaged in the details, chapter and verse details. the big difference was the shutdown in '95 was about budgetary matters and the president wanted to get it resolved. today what you have is a shutdown that's about the health care, this president doesn't want to talk and the last thing he wants is for the shutdown to be unresolved. that's why he's tagging indrag idea of the debt ceiling default which in fact the speaker has a is a place he will not go. but the president bless his heart doesn't get outside his comfort zone very well and his contract zone is explosively politics rather than policy. >> howard deep, when you were governor of vermont, did

howard dean's radio partner, rob robin quivers on her life and death battle with cancer. >>> a big fronto move eastbound. the question is, are we talking about autumn or are we talking about summer? because we are feeling the heat in front of this front. we have the southerly flow. so winds go from the south to the north. look at our temperatures there. virginia beach, 11 degrees above average. philadelphia, you are 13 degrees above average. so it is certainly going to be a warm one today. but that's not going to last long. why? you see that front right there, that's going to be your best friend. that's going to wash away all of that heat here along the i-95 corridor. that's where it is today. tomorrow, it gets closer to the east coast. you can see, there are are the showers. anywhere from new england all the way down to florida. now here's a look at >> good morning. some of you waking up to some fog, otherwise we'll see partly cloudy skies throughout this sufpblet it's another warm one. highs in thal 80's. heavy rain tomorrow afternoon >>> it's 5:00 somewhere, right, guys? always 5:00 s

ohh. ♪ is folgers in your cup >>> robin quivers is best known as howard dean's partners in crime on theheld for more than 30 years. >> after a 17-month absence from the radio studio while she battled cancer, robin made her triumphant return this week. it was a day howard worried might never come. >> there was a time i really did think i was going to lose you permanently. and i'll tell you what, this is a pretty remarkable day. that you are here triumphant and cured. i mean, i never would have predicted this. >> robin describes her health struggles, past and present, in her new book, the vegucation of robin. >> i've got to change the name of the book. because -- it's the veg-cation of robin. >> sorry. you're here to correct us. >> it's okay. i have to tell everyone the name of the book. >> more reason to keep promoting it then. think of it that way. we just saw a clip of your first day back in the studio after seven months. you're feeling great. >> yeah. >> what an emotional day that must have been for you. >> well, we have had a lot of emotional days over this 17 months. it's not an eas

we have donny deutsch, john heilemann and in washington, howard dean.ust want to do a question around the table. before we launch into news about a story we have deeper in this block. because some of you don't have teens and some of you do. if your kid is at a party, you know there is drinking, do you get your kid out of there and shut down the party or just get your kid out of there? donny. >> i'm way right on this issue, get your kid out of there, shut down the party. >> not your house. >> you can't be naive to believe that kids are not going to experiment with drinking. on the other hand, you can't endorse it. and so if you're confronted with it, i believe you do everything as a parent to intervene. >> so you go to where that party is, you get your kid and you shut it down. >> no. i'm not in a position to shut down the party. >> that's what i needed to know. >> i'm sorry. i get my kid out of there, and if i have my friends' kids and i also might call -- get ahold of the parents whose house it was. you can't walk into somebody else's house and shut do

howard dean and ralph freed president of health strategies and chairman of the conservative faith andlition. dr. dean, we heard this president time and time again saying if you like your insurance, it's not going to change. you can keep it. you can keep your doctor. we know for some 15 approximately americans that is likely not the case because their plans do not cover enough that is -- that has to be covered under the affordable care act so their plans will change. should the president have been more up front or precise in his language? >> let's look at what actually happened. what you said may or may not be so if you like your insurance. these folks aren't going to know until they see what they get instead. for the most part, for the most part, more comprehensive insurance -- >> but -- >> they may have to pay more but in fact, most of them will not. most of them will qualify for the subsidy because that's who has to go on the individual market, is people who make modest incomes, often small business people. look, this isn't part of the blame game routine. there is game to go around.

joining me howard dean and richard wolf. governor dean, a former governor mention had a good example for bill o'reilly about the difficulties you can run into including his experience with medicaid in west virginia. >> i was hoping you were not going to ask me to provide the evidence that bill o'reilly once played semipro ball. >> these rollouts tend to be difficult. i have been through difficult ones. when i was governor we computerized the tax department. this was 20 years ago. we had to do it twice. it took twice as long as when had to do it over again. the tech rollouts are very tough. were there mistakes? sure. one of the things they ought to have done is divide the 36 states that wouldn't cooperate with the exchange into five regions and have bidding for the five regions. but it is what it is. we are where we are. it's going to get fixed and this is going to be a program that people are really, really glad they have an opportunity to have. >> and richard wolf, to clarify what the administration did do today it's a mino

howard dean had been on a show and said that he was a little bit unsure as to whether bush had known 11 in advance which is weird. and dean is a serious guy. so i had a phrase in there that said that dean was a little bit troubling to epidemiologists because dean was the first example of such a syndrome happening in the very state. now, because he's -- from vermont. that was obviously a clue that this was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. but on the serious issue, which is that there were people who were so opposed to anything that bush had done, yes, it applies to obama. yes, it applied to reagan. and i think it applied -- generally speaking to most presidents. and there are people who will not accept anything that a president has done. i thought it was rather acute when the -- in the bush years because especially because of the wars, and because of the expansion of the state which really handled a lot of conservatives. i think the general issue is a president is always a target and oftentimes the target is overused and overabused. >> it is a great book of some of your most provocative an

. >> sort of an unusual supporters howard dean? >> howard dean. general jones. admirable mullen.f the former heads ever the joint chiefs of staff. >> spent them into oblivion and frightened them. >> if they are sitting in iraq. how would irritate iran sitting in iraq protect them through agreement. >> no one told the american people the truth. iraq has become a client state of iran. maliki is a shiite he feels tremendous amount of obligation to them. is he killing off sunnies like flies. >> promise not talking to maliki about that tonight? >> how do you know he is not? >> because we have been in contact with the state department. we have been? contact with different people with the white house. as far as we know, he is not talking about it he shouldn't just talk about it what he should say i'm going to send airplanes and promise protection to. bring them to the united states. if you don't like it cut off aid. maybe maliki would respond to that instead of the president sort of begging him. >> mr. mayor, nice to see you as always. >> thank you, greta. >> straight ahead. remember th

two familiar faces on cnbc, elaine chao, former labor secretary, and howard dean, former chairman of the democratic national committee. good to see you both. welcome back. >> thank you. >> governor dean, look, shutting the government down, are we too complacent about this? a generation ago this would have been unthinkable. this would have been the drop dead moment. you can't let that happen. now it's happened twice in the last 20 years. >> the drop dead moment is october 17th. if that date passes without resolution, you'll see really bad things happen. look, these people are behaving like children. i'm going to shut the government down because i didn't get my way? there's ample time for negotiation. there's lots of opportunity for conference committees. apparently the republicans want a conference committee. the democrats don't want to do it. before the democrats offered republicans 18 conference committees. republicans didn't want to do it. these people just have to grow up a little bit. i actually think that members of congress should not be paid while the government's shut down. th

bring in larry kudlow and governor howard dean. again, just my apologies if we have -- we cut people off every day, but the president could speak any moment, scheduled to speak five minutes ago. we have to go on here and get your wisdom and insight until he does. >> you have a new -- it's interesting today. the president may disregard all this and say he wants a clean bill, but the republicans have come up with a new offer. it's a bit curious. they want to set up committees, okay, not like the debt commission of a couple years ago, but they want to set up committees that would be bipartisan in both the senate and house which they called discussion committees, conversation committees, that would go through all the issues on the continuing resolution and on the bebts bill -- debt bill and might discuss other issues on the table like taxes, for example, like entitlements, like spending. nothing formal but they did also say, the house rules committee today, has already or if they haven't they're about to pass a rule that would allow bo

we hear from doctor and former presidential candidate howard dean.the ceo of the cleveland clinic toby cosgrove. >>> and steve israel on getting washington back on track. it's a busy day on wall street and "squawk box" is open for business. >> good morning and welcome to "squawk box" on cnbc. we are open for business. the government is not this morning. i'm andrew ross sorkin. take a look at the futures with the government closed. the dow looking like it's going to open up about 50 points higher, the dow, s&p 500 about seven points and the nasdaq up a little over 12 points. white house ordering a shutdown of areas of the federal government including national parks and federal offices as lawmakers fail to reach a deal by the midnight deadline. did i just take your lines, joe? >> i don't think so, but they took my -- is this my read? >> it might have been. it's early -- >> let's go back. >> there it is. joe. the floor is yours. >> it's just a question. i mean -- do we want to keep viewers or not? we want to keep them. >> in which case, becky should sta

i joined howard dean's presidential primary campaign. i joined very early in late april of 2003 and was on the campaign from most exactly 12 months from the early days to the very bitter end. my experience as a working for an insurgent candidate led me to think a lot about the role of technology and empowering insurgencies against the establishment. so it's really kind of where my folks started. in 2007 and early 2008 we watched the astonishing democratic primary where hillary clinton who was the party standard error, indeed she and bill clinton built the modern democratic party. she lost in the primaries to a manhood in in public life less than a decade. that was a dramatic moment of the insurgent challenging the establishment and winning. the last couple of cycles we have seen a similar dynamic in the republican party with tea party insurgents challenging successfully a number of sitting u.s. senators in their own primaries as well as other establishment republican candidates. and so the book started with my interest in the role techno

we'll be joined by jesse ventura and howard dean.rnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> next, a shooting on capitol hill, a high speed car chase ending with a deadly shoot-out. a minute by minute breakdown of what happened this afternoon. and the latest from the government shutdown. last night's meeting at the white house went nowhere. the senate majority leader harry reid says what it will take to get a deal with him and the democrats. and the latest from this violent confrontation between a motorist and a group of bikers. the wife of the suv driver speaking out says it was a life threatening situation but the

unemployment numbers here to discuss dean baker co-founder of the center for economic and policy research howard dean thank you for joining us they certainly know you being here now dean right off the bat how has this latest government shutdown influenced the october jobs numbers well it's really hard to say i mean i think the direct impact will be fairly modest are probably going to be twenty thirty thousand fewer jobs because of that from the government sector will be some indirect effect that this will be a little hard to pick up but you can have things you know we had national parks being shut down where you had areas where a lot of people would go in there for the national parks we have hotels restaurants are the business is related to that some of those will you know they might have otherwise been hiring some shut down altogether so you'll see an indirect impact there so we might see a falloff in told sixty seventy eighty thousand jobs less than what otherwise would have been there and these are part time not part time part time layoffs if you will so once they know if they file for unemploymen

anyway, in the "crossfire", two former government, democrat howard dean and jesse ventura.stion goes to you. you called for a political revolution. what you mean by that is the american people should stop electing democrats and republicans? >> absolutely. >> that's a very similar message to the tea party. are you a member of t

if it continues to be plagued by glitches, has to be shut down, split up as howard dean suggested regional federally run exchanges but goes through a massive revamp does that underline the broader agenda? >> it doesn't if they muddle through. i think that's what they are going to do, muddle through. i don't think it will take weeks but months. you have until the end of march to sign up. that's a fair window of time to get this going. ross is right, how this bill fares is going to set the tone for how people look at government and how government works. >> that's part of the problem, fits into the conservative agenda which is to undermine government and also make the case government is completely dysfunctional we should not invest in it. >> look, it's broken. but i do want to make sure that everybody knows that the website is working. there's a little hysteria how bad it is. there's people telling wonderful stories taking three hours. when is the last time you tried to call your insurance company. it takes that long to get to a real human being. taking three hours and at the end having a $6,

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. >> by the way, in case you're wondering, we did have a democrat standing by, howard dean, the former governor of vermont was here but he had an appointment and he had to go. eamon, are we making any progress? i know the president spoke with the speaker on the phone this morning. they repeated each of their stances but they don't appear to be any closer that point. >> i think that's essentially right but i agree with larry that there might be a deal potential. also the president didn't really shut down the idea that house republicans have been floating of putting together sort of a negotiating committee. this would be a committee to sheet it down. he didn't do that. so thatwise one as well and i thought the president showed a little more daylight on the issue of pryorization than he's shown before. he was adamant, there are no options after october 17th. today what the president said was, of course, we prepare for every contingency, although there are no good options if that comes to pass but he said we're prepared for every contingency and we're looking at everything and he indicated

we'll be joined by jesse ventura we'll be joined by jesse ventura and howard dean. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. a town hall special. >>> breaking news in washington as parties battled inside the capitol and that's obviously why we're here tonight, there was panic outside. dramatic video of the chase that ends in gunfire steps from the hill with a woman behind the wheel of a car and the child in the back police open fire on that vehicle. latest on the driver who was killed by police coming next. plus, day three of america held hostage by politics. >> there is one way out of this reckless and damaging republican shut down, congress has to pass a budget that funds our government with no partisan strings attached. >> the republican position is we believe we should fund this government but we also believe that this should not be any special treatment for anyone. >> so when will it all end? i'll ask top lawmakers and tropical storm karen in the gulf, when will it make landfall? we'll have that later. i'll have more wit

. >> and howard dean. >> how about general jones and admiral mullen. >> john bolden. >> two of the last of the joint chiefs of staff. >> why do you care? >> these people are anti-iranian government. anti-religious government in iran. they are a secular group. the reason for their alleged terrorism in the past is their opposition to the mullahs. don't we oppose them also? they are an organization that has the possibility of creating the government in iran. right now in iraq, our government, our military promised them protection back in 2003. that promise is being broken by the obama administration. they are meeting with malaki now. the president should realize what he's created in iraq is a client state of iran. malaki is working for the mullahs. not an ally of ours. >> you see it as a window to exploit. >> a hundred of them have been killed already. the reason lives won't be saved is the administration is engaged in a negotiation with iran and they want iran happy. it is not our job to keep iran happy. it is our job to make sure iran doesn't become nuclear. they gave the israelis all th

we'll be joined by jesse ventura and howard dean. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. >>> next, a shooting on capitol hill, a high speed car chase ending with a deadly shoot-out. a minute by minute breakdown of what happened this afternoon. and the latest from the government shutdown. last night's meeting at the white house went nowhere. the senate majority leader harry reid says what it will take to get a deal with him and the democrats. and the latest from this violent confrontation between a motorist and a group of bikers. the wife of the suv driver speaking out says it was a life threatening situation but the bikers tell a different story. let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm erin burnett. we have breaking news. i want to begin the car chase and shooting on could that hill today. it was a frightening scene in washington. a woman tried on ram her car through a white house check point. that's how it began. let's show you what that. this video shows the scene actually unfolding. as you can see, the car stops by a bare ind

i can tell you, when i worked with howard dean we would have the conversation when you're on the traineally call time. everybody can hear you. >> how crazy do you have to be to be administration and understand the only people on the acella are journalists. >> we were both on the acela a few weeks ago each with a view of chris christie. i was desperately trying to -- he was good. he knew not to say anything ridiculous. my advice to any politician. actually i went them to speak. if i were advising them, get your am track cheese platter, bring it to the quiet car and chill out. >> thank you so much. don't forget to watch karen every weekend on "disrupt" 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that is all for now. alex is back on monday at noon eastern. "andrea mitchell reports" with peter alexander sitting in for andrea next. announcer: where can an investor be a name and not a number? scottrade. ron: i'm never alone with scottrade. i can always call or stop by my local office. they're nearby and ready to help. so when i have questions, i can talk to someone who knows exactly how i trade.