as well.usual cynicism howard dean will join us in the next hour. howard in on his 47 candidates. ♪ ♪ this is blue "surveillance," tom and francine from london and new york. news out of the banking sector, about an hour ago we heard deutsche bank in commerzbank were no longer talking about mergers citing cost and the difficulty in integrating the entities. we just heard from the deutsche bank chief executive saying that market conditions have improved. we were expecting deutsche bank figures tomorrow, but because they said they were no longer merging with commerzbank or taking over commerzbank, we are getting an update on trading in their plan b, basically their fifth restructuring plan since 2015. we had a lot of other banking earnings including ubs. we feelank overall, quite good about the first quarter. >> we are pleased with the results. >> like the other banks, we face the choppiness particularly around economic capital markets and m&a. >> the second half of mark -- march, arkin conditions and investor sentiments changed for the good in absolute and relative to last year. we

howard dean makes good points about how the democratic party is increasingly younger and more diversea lot of people who are now effectively members of the democratic party are affluent suburban, highly educated white former republicans who may have voted for hillary clinton in 2016 and voted democratic for the house in 2018. joe biden's announcement video was directed at those voters, the people who may have been republican in the past but donald trump was a bridge too far. the problem for joe biden is that that video was directed at the general election audience and he has to get through this primary first. i will say there are still a lot identify aso self moderate or even conservative in the democratic party. that would be for his base and also a part of that group is some of the diversity in the democratic party. african-american voters, with whom joe biden is polling well, african-american voters are not leading the liberal charge. if you look at ideological self identification, self identified liberals are growing much more among white voters than african-american voters. if bi

remember, howard dean did that back in 2004. everybody was trying to be nice to george w.so popular after 9/11. howard dean decided, no, i'm going to attack him and represent the democratic wing of the democratic party and it worked, and then everybody replicated, that and everybody else started piling on. it actually ended up hurting bush so i think it's smart. look, there's a lot of litmus tests that democrats are trying to check off on their way to the nomination, but i think they are two of the most important is can you win the electoral college, and can you stand up to donald trump without him destroying you, and that's part of what this is about. >> standing out is, you know, what all of these candidates now that you've got 17 democrats, you know, in the ration. beto o'rouke, he's trying to stand out. in fact, he, you know, took a stand today, and he took a direct hit at israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu just a couple of days before, you know, elections in israel, and he flat out, o'rourke calling netanyahu a racist, saying he doesn't represent the true wifl

western state of budget office is making buildings a disaster as seen by using traditional technology howard dean of german scientists is using concrete to produce clean energy and how uptight will help solve the energy problems of the future. not every time i speak to my grandmother she tells me about so many things she would be different when she was younger like starting drinking water in an urban forth for instance because they're born with temperature control devices when she was growing up and sometimes i'm amazed at how efficient and sustainable these solutions work story is in the same group and organization in bristol in india is stepping into a joystick knology to make buildings disasters see they're also empowering local offices to document their practices so that they don't get lost among your dictatorships. about it. but then to my house where he left school after the ninth grade it didn't bode well for his future prospects you know but today he teaches students sustainable cup and. with my previous jobs i would work all day but never have a sense of receipt and a feeling of pride in

then again because i was not suspect the howard dean already at it said law enforcement has also the situation i'm not on board all. the souls in media on the maps are being. all of these you said on meet. the saw somebody meant to see it stopped writing or did you. talk to that maybe. full time maybe it's there and so far. it is all right there was some as far as bills and all the facilities. are now or disable feed while you use i'm also then doing this it's working all was done. and. that's all monday schools going to schools the mole on the full model we've got ash one had a month ago my with us now parliament correspondent for the news publication daily f.t. he's on skype from colombo thanks for your time this development in the last hour or so from the prime minister who's saying they may have been some warning what do you make of it because it's a it seemed to be quite a sort of broad statement he might now be nothing specific. yes exactly because according to. the garment of cause that there are no well any any of pride from asia or souls that is coming out so this happens to

. >> dana: let me play this for you, talk about what jessie said and also howard dean's point. >> thisarty has been taken over by 35-year-olds, the people who won the races are 35 years old and they are mostly centrists. they get all the press. there is 37 people that come from orange county, texas, oklahoma, kansas. that's where we picked up the seats. >> i don't know what he was talking about there. it was like he was mad that they were young. i just realized, he scrambled my brain. the problem with joe biden is that he's been around for a long, long time and there is no defining positive achievement he can .2. he is like that character on tv show that's there all the time, gunther on friends, the paris step. he's in every single episode but there's no impact. he is the guenther candidate, he is like your tonsils. if they're not there you're not going to miss your tonsils, dana. this is a battle between physical evidence and psychological effect. trump offers the physical evidence of achievement, jobs, great economy, gdp, stronger military. biden offers the psychological strategy. tr

howard dean gets tossed out because of a scream.gives the president some sort of racial ethnic, religious cover in the sense he has these two very prominence jewish individuals. he's constantly calling democrats anti-semite. he can say well, you know, even though you say i'm a nationalist he can distance himself from charlottesville because he's can steven and jared. that's dangerous because as he meddles and pals around with white supremacists, white nationalists who are proud of that vein he can say no i have these two and they are upholding something different and it's not. >> what's your prescription for demonstrate at this point? the president is saying everyone is saying there's a crisis at the border. there is a humanitarian crisis. what do democrats say in reply to hat? how do they make the case this is something of the president's creation. he enabled this to happen by not having adequate judges. what are democrats saying? >> this is the quandry for democrats. we have a moral obligation to speak out against the dehumanizati

we had howard dean on earlier. he said he would like to see somebody under 50. time for a passing of the torch to a new generation? stefanie: if anything it is time ever bridge between generations. i think joe biden on one side and another candidate, kamala harris and stacey abrams, whose name is been thrown out as a potential vp, i think would be a good bridge to show times have changed but voters have not changed. people who are in the deep south, people who are young and old respect joe biden. i believe they think he is an elder statesman who took a backseat to this black man who was president and they still respect him. i think he and his running mate could be a powerful team. david: i will refer back to tim ryan. when we look back at 2016, donald trump one in states like michigan, wisconsin, and ohio because he got the issue of blue-collar workers who felt they had been left behind in an increasingly separated society. when you look at joe biden, when you look at kamala harris, delay's beak to the voters of ohio and michigan and wisconsin -- do they speak t

. >> howard dean is here. do you like that answer? >> yes. i do. it's true.l the younger candidates. but this is a big thing about the media. they've got totally wrong. because they had three very liberal women, who were very successful. aoc being the one with a tremendous amount of ink. we picked up 40 seats. most of those were in orange county, california, texas, oklahoma, kansas, central pennsylvania, the vast majority of the democrats elected in the last election are liberal/centrists. so that's just a fact. biden is right about that. >> so we'll use that as the first metric. we'll move on. but niger, what do you make about dean's argument? >> the problem is people like me and people like you who are trying to fuel a false narrative that this party is further left so you can may the socialist card. >> well, forget me and others that might try to do that. look at 2016 when a identify who was a registered socialist for most of his political life, bernie sanders, got nearly 50% of the democratic voters to vote for him. the heart and soul of the democratic pa

joining us, howard dean, governor of vermont, laura lopez from politico and joe lockhart, former whiteouse press secretary and host of the words matter podcast. congratulations on that. governor dean, i know it's early >> it's early. >> polls change. >> you know that. >> but pete buttigieg was the mayor of south bend, indiana at zero or minus in the polls and now he's ahead of people who have been in the senate, people who live next door to new hampshire. there is clearly something happening with this south bend mayor >> our core base is women, people of color and young people. pete buttigieg is incredibly attracted to young people. i supported him for the democratic national chairmanship. that's our core base. he got his message out there, partly on cnn town meetings. people like him a lot. i'm shocked at people who say, what do you think of this guy? i have to stay neutral because i'm running the data project. they say, i sent him some money. you did? these are people my age. this is real. he's assured, barring some scandal, he'll be in the first cut >> what has mayor pete buttigieg

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seemed to coalesce around howard dean. that collapsed as soon as it hit iowa. many people thought he would not be the best person to go against george bush. this year, it's hard to tell. the last few days, you look at what people have been saying about debating whether or not people are in jail, whether the boston bomber should be able to vote. i'm not sure that's the greatest thing to be talking about 16, 18 months from now against donald trump. but there'll be a lot between now and then. you know, don't forget he has his own foible. everyone has to get through the primary process. one of them wins. so i think jeb had other problems. >> fair enough. >> least of which was the exclamation point. >> and the attacks that went along with it from president trump. all right. thank you all for being here. >>> on saturday, when reverend al sharpton sits down with the leading 2020 contenders and asks the hard questions about inequality in america. not just black and white. race and the 2020 election. don't miss it. >>> up next, the republican resistance. next, the repub

howard dean, paul tsongas, gary hart, names from the past that put that wine track coalition together new in some ways in terms of what he is and who he represents, but in other ways, we've seen this coalition before. this has the makings of the traditional wine track coalition. >> well, president trump would be the beer track, but at the same time i listen to bernie sanders last night and bernie sanders is the one and only person at this point, if you compare bernie sanders to president trump, who has that economic populist message. that's the message that won for president trump, yet his policies have hooked up the elite of the elite. >> let's see. >> so he went beer to wine. >> it's early, but again i think the lesson when i say those names from the past, if you're the mayor of south bend and getting numbers like this at all, that's gravy for you in some ways. if you want to compete, you have to bring in black voters and bring in voters with lower incomes than this. >> wine before beer, remember that, the question is can you get both. steve kornacki, thank you so much. >>> an impor

and then there's howard dean. he emerged against john kerry in 2004 before screaming did him? . >> we're going to take california, texas, new york and south dakota and oregon and washington and michigan. and then we're going to washington d.c. to take back the white house. yeah! >> neil: and now you're not the nominee. and then there's henry scoop jackson. he looked like a shoe-in early on when jimmy carter, unknown, who was suddenly replacing him. so being the frontrunner obviously doesn't guarantee you end up in front. more on that in a moment. first, peter doocy in wilmington that caught up with joe biden earlier today. peter? >> neil, today joe biden enjoys an advantage previously enjoyed by hillary clinton and rudy guliani and jeb bush. he has to figure out a way forward without the ex-president, who he is very good friends with. if you're the best choice nor the democrats in 2020, why didn't president obama endorse you? >> i asked president obama not to endorse. he doesn't want to -- we should -- whoever wins this nomination should win it on their own merits. welcome to

have primary voters and they're trying to get rid of an unpopular incumbent, they don't go for howard dean much that a gay mayor, married guy from a small town in south bend, known only for football, really, and notre dame, is somehow zooming to the top because he's the safe bet, according to you. the safe bet. >> he sounds mature. i mean, in an environment where everybody sounds juvenile, he actually sounds like a grown-up. maybe it's good he's good at speaking to grown-ups. he makes grown-ups like them. he has a lot of practice at this, road scholars usually do. he's assuring to this old person. his moderation and sort of grown-upness is appealing. >> i think he can think about his feet. a lot of candidates revert to their talking points. anyway, during his kickoff speech yesterday, the millennial mayor appeared to take a slight dig at president trump's age. here he goes. >> not just about the next four years, it's about preparing our country for a better life in 2030, in 2040, and in the year 2054, when god willing, i get to be the same age as our current president. >> that's kind of th

i was with howard dean in 2004. i was his campaign manager.for gay couples, which was very controversial. we led. we started raising more money than anybody. we took a lead in the polls. but in the end, the party turned to john kerry, somebody they thought was safer, who was for the war, against all the things that had created our candidacy in the first place. so when you see kamala harris, when you see elizabeth warren leading on student loan debt and on free college tuition and these kinds of things, it doesn't necessarily mean that the party is going to go there. it's definitely salient. it's definitely got a lot of energy. we'll see where it goes from here. you saw mayor pete buttigieg immediately slap down where bernie sanders was going on giving felons the right to vote while they were in prison, so we'll see these fights continue, but you're seeing a very diverse field actually come up with a lot of diverse ideas, and some of them will emerge. some will be duds, but we'll see. >> in terms of ideas that are emerging, obviously, a lot of

. >> if you look at history, there are candidates like gary hart and howard dean who struggled when theya favorite in the democratic presidential primary. others like jimmy carter in 1976 were able to run as an outsider, someone washington didn't know and actually win the nomination and win the white house. it is still very early, as anna said, to judge how mayor buttigieg's campaign is going to evolve. having covered hem, this is someone struggling to escalate his whole operation. he needs to build a finance operation, early state operation. but so far this is a candidate who has found his message and continues to be immediate tour. as president trump showed us all in 2016, this new day and age of politics is not so much about traditional advertising and structure, that matters especially in places like south carolina where he's maybe not as well-known, but at this point in the cycle, you have to win people's attention and keep their attention. he's doing that for the moment. >> can i challenge the idea what he has to do next is build operations. trump never had those. cory left, paul m

howard dean joins us. he is a former candidate, former dnc chair and former vermont governor.ake of biden, how he entered the race and where he enters the race? >> you know, it's very hard to say. there is 20 candidates. i think the record number is going to get through the first four. the problem for joe biden is everybody loves him. he is the former vice president associated with the most popular democrat in america, and he is at 27. what's going to get him to 28. >> he is -- it's a long time. >> right. very long time. >> and we forget. >> yeah. >> at this point when you were running, where were you in the race? >> i was sort of in the top six. because there were only six serious candidates. >> right. >> what happened to me is i had a very powerful message -- actually, in retrospect, i realized i ran against the democratic party because they were all voting for bush's tax cuts and the iraq war. and i really surged to the leader of the pack after we outraged john kerry because we were doing crowd funding before anybody else was. >> joe biden is having a fundraiser at a house

at this point, howard dean was the beautiful candidate for the democrats in 2003 and that lasted untilhen the party went with john kerry. the democrats love to flirt, but they ultimately marry a moderate. we will see if that is how they pursue this time around. vonnie: one final question. will it have helped to have been vogel on the mueller report -- to have been vocal on the robert mueller report? does it matter. elizabeth warren is stuck in quicksand. her campaign is not getting traction. she is trying to energize the base on that type of issue. i believe the most energetic voters in the democratic primary will want trump impeached and she is appealing. , greatlook at mayor pete answer, i know what i would do personally, it is up to congress. it does not matter because i will beat him anyway. i thought that was an effective answer. , donaldnd of the day trump is likely to be on the ticket and democratic presidential candidates need to be focused on beating him at the ballot box because impeachment seems like a low probability. vonnie: thank you ray much. dan clifton of strategic us

remember howard dean 2004? jeb bush 2016? they were leading around this time. biden's long career in politics is proven to be both an asset and liability as he begins the search for march to 2020. the showdown between him and trump has started already, bust it's not over policy, it's over age. >> i feel like a young man. i'm so young. i can't believe it. i'm the youngest person -- i am a young, vibrant man. i look at joe, i don't know about him. i don't know. >> if he looks young and vibrant compared to me, i should probably go home. >> joining us now is nbc's mike memoli. mike, you have been with joe biden much of the last two weeks, what sort of challenges does biden have? >> much of the last decade. i have been following this guy longer than i care to admit. >> you know his level of energy. >> in fact, being half his age, there are times especially in the 2008 campaign where the younger group of reporters around him would be more tired than him. he definitely feeds off the energy of the campaign trail. you can tell this week he's really excited to get out th

american politics say if you have a fast start in presidential politics, whether you're gary hart or howard deans your bid fades. but the other rule is assume nothing, who can make it in american politics, who can win the presidency, president trump coming from way on the outside of the republican party to win the white house. when you see mayor pete buttigieg of south bend, yes, he's 37 years old, yes, it seem implausible for him to the president of the united states but having lived in south bend after college and followed his career, as a reporter i wanted to see where this could go, someone who is speaking to a new generation, moving beyond reagan politics and see if he could actually connect with the democratic party that may be searching for a new kind of standard bearer. it was quite a scene. in an old understood beaker factories, thousands cheering on this 37-year-old mayor, running as proudly as a gay american, running as a small town executive. they said maybe he's that kind of person from that part of the country who can counter president trump, but they know it's early on in this pro

we all remember howard dean in 2004. remember herman cain in 2012, many others in between. we're 570 days away from the election day, 370 days away from iowa caucuses. you say capitalism head a lot of people down. you said we need to raise a lot of money for the got. what specifically does that mean from a tax perspective for people across the country? how much are you willing to raise taxes? give me a number. do you believe in shuttling migrants to sanctuary cities like the president has proposed. if not, where should they go. bret baier asked bernie sanders during the town hall on fox on monday, he never got a straight answer. you support the green deal. how do you implement that? what is the cost per family. once you peel the onion off i'm curious if pete buttigieg is popular as he is now. steve: speaking of popular, bernie sanders was on the channel from the town hall from bethlehem, pennsylvania, the ratings went through the roof. number one town hall. reportedly pete buttigieg says i want some of that too. >> i spoke to a campaign spokesman for the buttigieg campaign

. >> you can go back to gary hart, to bill bradley, to howard dean. got traction at some point in the primaries, failed to cross to lower income voters, and they failed to cross over to african-american voters. there has not been a democratic nominee for president who has failed to win the black vote since michael dukakidukakis. since then, every democratic nominee has broken through. including john kerry in 2004, winning the black vote in primaries. pete buttigieg, right now, there's a lot of energy and media attention. maybe it is resonating with a certain type of voter there. it is going to have to expand. >> is there a challenge with the african-american? >> yes. >> explain it to me. >> that's with everybody, right? you have to be able to -- >> specifically for mayor pete. >> right. mayor pete has been multi-layered and multi-dimensional, speaking in his truth. he is in his moment right now. campaigns is about timing. he's there. the problem that he's going to have is he has to expand that base, as steve rightly laid out. you cannot win this democ

howard dean, apparently we moved on.ith the republicans. rudy giuliani at 33%, ahead of the field. of course, he didn't win a single primary or caucus. mccain ends the gop nomination in 2008. i wish i could change outfits for that. that would be nice, but i couldn't do that with the amount of time given. >> i guess not that telling, this many days out. now get in your time machine and come back here to the present. thank you. >> we need to get you a delorean. >> i was a fan of "back to the future". >> what's caught you off guard? are there any surprise snz. >> yeah. a number of surprises. pete buttigieg. he came out of nowhere. less than 40. he was born a few years before i am, and yet he has surged to third place in the democratic field so far. here's another thing that to me is also surprising. it's the women that have been trailing. 2018 i think was the year of the woman. record nominations in the democratic primaries. record number of wins in house of representatives. one of the women running so far are in the top th

also on the panel, doctor medford, dean of howard university. author most recently of "lincoln: an emancipation". richard norton smith, the author of a wonderful book on george washington called "patriarch: george washington and th enew american nation". he has written many other books including great one herbert hoover and served as director of five different presidential libraries. tonight, these individuals will discuss the new book, the president's -- "presidents, noted historians on the best and worst chief executives". please join me in welcoming them tonight. [applause] >> are we supposed to turn this up, okay. good evening everyone nice to see. thank you so much kevin butterfield. i cannot think of a more appropriate place to talk about presidential leadership in mount vernon. it is a delight to be back in today. brian and i talked about this for a year and and a half ago. her motivation was actually the c-span 40th anniversary. but what a week we picked for this book to come out on presidential leadership. terrific time for us to be hea