prop 30 is ken tray, lowell high school teacher and howard epstein the vice chair of communications forco republican party. he is against proposition 30. ken, let me start with you, i wanted to know more about it. why should people vote yes on this? >> unfortunately california is 47th for people spending in the nation. it's time to step up and support our kids. we need to lower class size. we need to hire the best and brightest college grads. that is what prop 30 does. it will bring in needed funds to prevent loss of programs at lowell high school we have a library and computer labs. we have a sports program. we have a great theater program. our kids deserve that. they deserve a world class education. they deserve an education that will prepare them for the high-tech world that they are facing. we can do no less than pass prop 30. 47th in 9 nation. our kids deserve better. >> cheryl: let me talk to you about this. why should people vote no. nobody disagrees that they need more but you don't like this one? >> remember, california spend immense amount of money. our budget went up $5.6 bil

. >> reporter: howard epstein is vice chair of the san francisco republican party and isn't surprised by 30s waning support. >> everybody is saying, oh, my god, they want to raise our taxes again. >> reporter: but if it doesn't pass, billions of dollars of trigger cuts are set to take effect. that means up to $6 billion taken from k through 12 education or about 3 weeks of school. community colleges the uc system and cal state schools also stand to lose millions which means higher tuition, layoffs and fewer classes available. >> arithmetic. it's money into the schools from those who are fabulously wealthy or money out of the schools. and i can't make it any simpler. >> reporter: epstein thinks the governor is crying wolf. >> they can go back to sacramento tomorrow and say, okay, we're going to fully fund the schools and the poor folks and the seniors and so on, and maybe we won't pave some roads this year, maybe we won't spend billions of dollars on the high- speed rail. >> reporter: the other tax measure on the ballot prop 38 is also losing right now at the polls promising to fund k-