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let's bring in our roundtable, jason johnson, sabrina siddiqui, howard fineman. ward, she is getting tougher, she's calling out these people. this is no longer ignoring the republicans, she's hitting them. why? >> for several reasons. first of all, she cares about the women's issues. she's running more openly on women's issues this time. but as you've said, it's easier to get into the flow of a story than to start one yourself. all the attention's on the republicans. she's getting in the mix on that. she's rather talk about jeb bush than bernie sanders who is creeping up on her in iowa and new hampshire. she's rather pick a fight on the republican side than be drawn into mentioning her actual rival at this point. >> is that true? she doesn't want to talk about bernie who is on her tail, within the margin of error. can she keep knocking jeb? >> i think at some point, you'll see her taking more digs at bernie sanders and other democratic rivals. right now, she's still struggling with progressives who view her skeptically. but this is something that the obama campaig

howard fineman, global editorial and director for the huffington post.ior political reporter for nbc news. it's so exciting because i think the clintons are getting mad, it must be real. [ laughter ] it's a long reach of friends out there pushing it, but the press biting for it. it seems to bother bill that people like us are talking about it now. he's probably watching now. they're talking about this, i'll get them. what is it? i know there's fire there. is there smoke, is there fire? he really wants to run? but is it just smoke? >> i think there's a couple of things. there's no doubt that he wants to do it. >> we know that. >> there's also no doubt, at least according to the people close to joe biden that they think they can put together the mechanics. in other words, i was told yesterday, it's not about being able to put together a campaign, there are plenty of people out there, there's plenty of money out there, that's not it. the two things are what joe biden is feeling by the time he actually has to do it. and the family. and it's not just jill bid

howard fineman from the huffington post, thank you all. i have a lot of clips to bring back. good to have you here. let's go with the straight journalist in the beginning. robert costa, why can't hillary clinton run a press conference like that? the way he instructs people how to ask questions, it's like they're trained seals out there. hillary clinton is overrun by them. who is right and who is wrong in running a press conference? >> it's a huge contrast -- >> and is that the right way? >> he gets away with it because he has a comfort on the stage, at the podium. he's been in front of cameras for 25, 30 years. >> when he tells people to shut up, they shut up. if hillary clinton said, shut up, ed, would he? >> totally different politicians. >> you're defining the obvious. howard, you're the pro here. how does he get away, he's like a lion tamer with a chair, whipping them into action. >> because he knows that everybody out there is hanging on his every word. he has the confidence in that, of a master salesman. this is a guy who's built his career in new york, which is the tou

howard fineman, a pro at this sort of thing. andrea mitchell of nbc news, and with us from new york, new york, the moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd. i haven't heard from you in a while. do we know more about maybe trump is getting some outside advice to go tough on the reb rebuttals? carly fiorina had a statement written up and somebody read it. the thing about hillary clinton lies, lies, lies, was premeditated. what are your thoughts about the news making tonight? >> look, right now the news making is all stylistic. it's all on that front. we haven't really seen a substantive hit. look, i can't -- look, there are few things that i'm looking forward to on the substance front of this debate i think will be fascinating and i think the biggest one that i'm going to be interested in is watching the question about would you shut down the government over the issue of planned parenthood? and i want to see what jeb bush is going to say, chris christie -- the governors are going to say, christie and kasich and jeb. i think they w

for more on the politics, let's bring in political analyst howard fineman. the global editor and director at huffington post. thank you so much for being on the show. >> great to be here. >> howard, starting off the question because he does lead our own nbc news qu/"wall stree journal," donald trump sucking up the oxygen, how do they differentiate on thursday night and maneuver around him? if he does, in fact, take a shot, how do they respond? fair to say he's sort of a pace car here. >> yeah. well, a couple of things. this is a debate on fox. and a lot will depend if you're a candidate on the tone that the people at fox who are the moderators set. that's chris wallace and megyn kel kelly. >> they're serious journalists. >> they are. they have a former republican consulta consultant. does fox want wwe or do they want npr? obviously they're not sure either. i would say it's going to tend more in the wwe direction and if that's the case then candidates no toad adapt. if it's a calmer and more sort of studious affair, then i think candidates have to be more care

. >> howard fineman is director of "the "huffington post"" and raul ryes is a contributor. i'm trying to figure out how this would work. he's saying let's take people that cop into the country and tag them logistically. what i am thinking about here is back to 2012, back to mitt romney and the debate stage and the republican primaries, he's trying to get through the primary and knows he has to get to the right on immigration and says self-deportation and haunts him all the way to november. is that the same basic thing that's driving chris christie to say something like this? >> the same basic thing but i would say in this instance, here we are in the summer of trump and what is going on now is worse and i would say that it's more kin to what we saw in 1994 with prop 187 or in 2012 with arizona's paper police law that mobilized latinos across the nation to restrictive state laws. what chris christie is proposing, the nicest thing is it's impractical. the worse thing is it's inhumane but the very troubling and disturbing to so many latinos, the language he's using of packages

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. >> howard fineman and michael steele, thanks so much for being with me and a great job there.'ll put my shades back on. >> there you go. >> so cool. >> you look so cool with or without the glasses. thanks guys. >>> president obama has lost a key member of his party in the fight to keep the iran nuclear deal from falling apart. democratic senator chuck schumer said he would opose the agreement and try to persuade his democratic colleagues to do the same. the president gained a public vote of support from senator tammy baldwin, at least the 16th democratic senator to do so. however, until senator schumer, no democratic senator had publicly opposed the deal. with me former ambassador, mark ginsburg, served as white house mideast policy adviser. ambassador, good to see you. >> good morning, jose. >> good morning. do you think this is an important statement that schumer is making? is this something that could cause others to maybe decide to object to the iran agreement? >> it's quite clear that senator schumer's statement will have an impact on other senators particularly for examp

joining us now director of the huffington post media group howard fineman and chair of democratic nationalhave you both. >> you have a take on the debate last night. tell us about it. >> i think marco rubio has been talked about a lot and in the context of the quote colorful debate if you want a rebel and somebody who can go against hillary clinton and somebody who is an outsider by definition you can go with a donald trump or you can go with a young politician, a guy who hasn't been in the game for a long time who represents a new generation and who is an outsider by definition and that is marco rubio. >> you think marco won the debate last night? >> i don't think he won it. i think he did himself a lot of good. i don't think donald trump gave himself another booster rocket in the polls. i don't know that he is going to go down. analysis of donald trump is always wrong. and people like push and walker establishment candidates i thought were pretty much nowhere. there were times where jeb bush was saying we need civility and respect in politics where i thought he looked like the guy who wa