howard. >> i thought the war was a joke, you guys are all hawks, the other guys will saying with i think you're basically, you look anti-immigrant. and do you think it will really take sides, or everybody will sort of bunch to the center and say, we're all for following the law or we're all for this. >> it looks to me, based on what jeb was saying to the alabama republicans, that he's prepared to fight on that. and, again, it's partly because of his family situation, because of his background. i think he's making the bet, he's playing a deeper game that he somehow will get the nomination and will separate him from a lot of the others. frankly, on immigration, a lot of the others will be playing to the yahooist part of the yahoo wing of the republican party, in places like iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, across the south. who are just flat-out anti-immigration, in any way, shape, or form. >> is funny thing is -- >> he's trying to make a virtue of necessity here. and i think it's probably smart for him. >> the ones they're not talking to, if they do, that will be jeb. but i'm thinking people