hughes is the bearded iceberg. aside from that, t.r. has a anointed a successor once before, william howard taft. that did not work out. he doesn't want to do it again. they've had -- hughes and t.r. have wrangled over patronage when hughes was governor, and des moines r. is not -- t.r. is not sure where hughes stands on the war, against preparedness. but will, what will the republicans do? the republicans nominate hughes. they say that nobody likes hughes, but everyone is for him. and because he is the sort of available man even though he is on the supreme court, they nominate him, and the whole progressive party folds into a big, big wreck. and hughes, this is interesting, hughes was basically offered, how shall we say it, a bribe, a consideration if he does not run against woodrow wilson, and that is to become chief justice of the supreme court. he says, no, wilson are never support me. and he's told by another supreme court justice, oh, no, he are, he want -- he will, he wants you on that court. so it's a very, very complex, interesting and machiavellian story. and we don't have the tapes like