. >> you have howard kreent count investigators, police department, everyone, that has created some confusione department has taken the lead. all the other folks, state police, federal partners, other county agencies have been here in support of us. and incredibly grateful for their support. we're investigating this like we would any other crime. it's just a much more public event and a much larger crime scene. i know that doesn't sound -- sounds like i'm minimizing it. i'm not. that's what we're doing now. so when it comes to not being able to know the motive, as the chief talked about earlier, they haven't been able to just figure out who the shooter is. he does have lots of ammunition on him so they're being very cautious. believe it or not even though we've been here for a number of hours it's still very early in the investigation. >> obviously this was 11:15 on a saturday morning in a mall. do you have any sense of how many people were inside and how long it took to get everybody out and when that finally concluded, the evacuation? >> we don't know the exact numbers. we know -- probably