this is howard lazar on a public plaza on a phone to somebody. i'm not in his face, i have not approached him. in a logbook, he claims that i got on a trolley from 25 van ness, went down market street and went down powell street. we were talking about the giants. howard lazar and shook their both and he approached me and claimed in the logbook that i said something to them. it did not happen. i live close to the park. very often i walk to plaza and eat. >> you will have another minute to continue your argument. >> thank you. we'll hear from the department now. >> good evening commissioners, i'm howard lazar. by way of background. in 2003, the arts commission denied her renewal of arts certificate after finding here in violation of not selling arts by the commission and disrupting the businesses of other street artist. in 2007, she applied for a street artist certificate and two hearings were held on her request, the commission denied her request. on november 7, 2007, the board of appeals over ruled the arts commission and ordered the commission t