the phone former mayor judy giuliani and in washington former new york city police commissioner howard schafer. good evening to you both. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> are you there? >> i am right here. >> how do you feel? >> of course i feel horrible. let me say hello to my good friend howard. we worked together for many years before i was mayor and he was police commissioner in the justice department. this is a terrible night howard and i went through many of them when he was police commissioner as i did with bill and bernie kerik. i think that the new york city police department is in shock. i think that we are going to have to try to figure out how to repair this relationship because deblasio is the mayor and he will continue to be the mayor. i agree with you the last two to three months i don't think just new york. i think it is all over the country we have had an incredible amount of hate for police officers. i tried to combat it on "meet the press"." i got plenty of criticism about the problem is black on black crimes not police on black crimes. the police account for i don't kno

. >> i want to bring in howard schafer, a former new york city police commissioner from '96 to 2000. thank you for joining us. >> my condolences to both the ramos and liu family. that's the most important thing right now. >> you have said that we have seen -- this is a quote from you. we have seen nothing but police bashing from some of the highest offices in the land. explain that to me. >> well, we've heard from the mayor. we've heard from the attorney general. we've heard from the president that people of color should always be concerned when they are confronted or interacting with police. basically saying that police forces in the united states are racists, brutal, unprofessional. and that couldn't be further from the truth. the fact is new york city has the most diverse police department in the world. the probably the you're going to be confronted by a police officer in fronew york, you're going to be confronted by a person of color. if you look at the facts, civilian complaints have gone down for the last ten years every year. officer-involved shootings have gone down every yea