new doctrine isn't howard thurman but your ordination process tell us about that. you come from baptist background. >>> economic baptist tradition i grew up in alabama and that's where my folks originated in st. went to miami were actually grew up close to the time but i came at a fast tradition where parts of your family were pentecostal and parts were methodist empire were baptist and so that was that environment that i grew up with. when i met my wife and moved to to california she had been the united methodist and and so by that time having studied howard thurman the central part of my faithless from the spirit and the spirit from me as something of which all the religious tradition to come so i welcome the opportunity to become a united methodist and i love the capacity for doing ministry beyond the local church and even beyond the country. of the ideas and the diversity of the religious tradition and of course the tremendous efforts that john wesley. >>> caro you ought to do counseling. >>> guests are working grief counseling because grief can be very heavy a

a great quote by howard thurman says don't ask what the world needs, ask what brings you alive.that's what the world needs, people that are alive. i came alive when i started serving people on the street, when i started making soup. when one decides to do this kind of work, this type of ministry, making things better, you don't retire from that. you may change your role. gosh, i feel like i'm just getting warmed up. i've learned enough to really make a difference. >> yes or no, would you ever donate a kidney to your boss of all people? well, a woman did and claimed she got fired. our legal guys will weigh in on this case next. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is that there isn't anything on the schedule. >>> some really compelling testimony in the john edwards corruption trial from the prosecution's star witness edwards former aide andrew young. young testified he felt threatene