from howard thurman. >> yes and a phd from san francisco institute of integral studies. >> i had him on some years ago so it's great to have him. i know he is in the audience and listening and eager to hear what you have to say. i'm sure he has read quite a bit of it. >> he has lived and read it and edit it out a few things. >> i love the book and how you relate to your family. your mom and dad and sister and hubert and your daughters. it was an amazing story. we will hear some more in the next few segments, tell us about this and why you chose those words to articulate your story. >> i will do that. >> okay, please join us in our next segments. >>> welcome back to mosaic, we are talking to rev. donna and her memoirs that just came out. sleep, pray and heal. i am always interested in titles of books, but not just the titles, but the chapters so tell us about how you came about with such a interesting title. >> after 20 different ones, this is the one that set right and it set right because, i have written it for the general audience first. not necessarily for the church audience. i w