i began by asking anthony arnove to talk about howard zinn. >> howard was born 101 years ago in brooklynworking class immigrant parents. he, from a very young age, was actually involved in political organizing, worked in the brooklyn navy yard, had a number of working class jobs around new york city and was around people who were talking about the need to fight for better working conditions, opposing racism. and then howard entered world war ii where he was a bombardier. and that was an experience that profoundly transformed him. he came home a determined anti-war activist and someone who dedicated his life to opposing u.s. empire. he then went from that experience to studying on the gi bill. and becoming a historian, where his first assignment as a teacher was at spelman college, right at the very beginning of the civil rights movement, and he threw himself completely into that movement. he said that he learned more from his students than his students learned from him as a teacher. he had students like bernice johnson reagan, students like alice walker, and others who were some of the e

and as you say, i was in a very privileged one, privileged for me, with howard zinn and noam chomsky and marilyn young and fred -- a number of others, mitch goodman, mark ptashne. and we did, in fact, get beaten over the head on the streets on several times and got the advantage of testing -- field testing, their pepper sprays directly into the face, which is very effective, if i can -- i'll give a little blurb for it here. it is very disorienting indeed. and then, again, we thought it was pretty much over when they began just clearing the streets of georgetown by arresting everybody there, including, to their fault, a number of congressman's children who were shopping in georgetown. 13,000 people were arrested and put in rfk stadium, without any warrants, without any paperwork as to why they'd been arrested, why they were there. so in the end, they were paid a small indemnity for having done that. amy: daniel ellsberg, pentagon papers whistleblower speaking in april. he died june 16 at the age of 92 just months after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. when we come back, we hear

now, howard zinn remained in bilbao two months before heading back to salem on the return voyage. the pickering three more british prizes. and when the pickering returned to salem the owners, rewarded or presented their intrepid, intrepid captain with a silver tankard shown here with the pickering etched into the side as well as his initials, and to mugs to accompany it. now, during his tenure in the massachusetts navy and as a private harrington took many prizes, captured hundreds of cannons and, as many british prisoners. he died of tuberculosis at the age of 59. in 1803. and his obituary in the salem gazette, loudon ten is one of the most able and valiant naval commanders that war produced. the pickering was one of nearly 2000 american privateers. and those are the vessels. and harrington was one of tens of thousands of privateers, men who manned those vessels. the revolution. privateers were armed vessels owned an by private individuals that had government permission to attack enemy ships at times of war. that permission came in the form of a letter marked a formal legal docum

this is the world according to howard zinn. and it's completely wrong. and i don't care what matt damon thinks. no, he's the guy who's trying to get you to buy bitcoin or whatever. so, you know, don't listen to him and good will hunting. this is the basic story and this is what our students are being taught. this is what my kids were being taught in school and then trying to say, this is --. and my kids are saying, chill, dad. okay. this is the basic sort of narrative. and it's coming from beared. and whether you're aware of it or not, all your teachers and their teachers, this is what influenced them. this this book. but it's wrong on these facts. it's bunk. well-heeled delegates. this is the counter story that i'm basically saying is a myth. well heald delegates met in secret and exceeded their limit instructions to modify the articles of confederation that scrapped them entirely. these plotters then pressured slash bamboozled america into accepting a document designed mainly to protect private property and fat cat creditors and to suppress incipient m

and douglas would farm it out to david brower at sierra club or howard zinn i saw at the wilderness society. and then douglas kept hiking and, hiking. he hike in in kentucky to stop a dam and he won. he hike bobby and ethel kennedy along the olympic peninsula of washington state and no road he to the buffalo river in arkansas river where the protest so big people were putting barbed wire the river so canoes or kayakers would get entangled there were shootings on and there's bill douglas canoeing down the buffalo. now i didn't see he's a great supreme court justice. okay. okay, you got it. it's telling you this is what what his life about that he didn't like lawyers or law. he was very mean to court. so these complicated, but not on the environmental issue. he was a believer in a deep way and he won. he showed the greens, get guts, get out there, protest and we can win. and we won the buffalo richard nixon saved the buffalo river from being dammed. i can go on with douglas's stance that all work he doesn't have a failure on these things he brings so much media to and he backs rachel who now