i began by asking anthony arnove to talk about howard zinn. >> howard was born 101 years ago in brooklyno working class immigrant parents. he, from a very young age, was actually involved in political organizing, worked in the brooklyn navy yard, had a number of working class jobs around new york city and was around people who were talking about the need to fight for better working conditions, opposing racism. and then howard entered world war ii where he was a bombardier. and that was an experience that profoundly transformed him. he came home a determined anti-war activist and someone who dedicated his life to opposing u.s. empire. he then went from that experience to studying on the gi bill. and becoming a historian, where his first assignment as a teacher was at spelman college, right at the very beginning of the civil rights movement, and he threw himself completely into that movement. he said that he learned more from his students than his students learned from him as a teacher. he had students like bernice johnson reagan, students like alice walker, and others who were some of the