let's talk with robert howden, he's a campus manager at computer systems institute. robert, you almost wish it wasn't so easy for companies to go overseas and find ready-made candidates. > > absolutely. of course, they have a bit of an advantage because they have basically invested in this infrastructure to build great candidates. they have great i.t. education programs in places like india, and they invest a lot in those programs. so then they get a job over there, get experience, and then they say, "hey, there are high-paying jobs in the united states, i am going to get a sponsorship," and they come over and they go ahead and get a high-paying job here. > they also have infrastructure over there, because that's where all the call centers are, the support systems. > > exactly. we have built this outsourcing industry, and we think of outsourcing as being these kind of low-paying jobs like answering the phone for billing problems and stuff. but they need to build this infrastructure, they need to build call centers, they have people running them, building the computer