hoyer: ashley and maddie, thank you very, very much. they are two perfect examples of extraordinary employees of the american people. no malinger is there. now, i want to put this in context. if i wanted to make the federal government the least efficient i could possibly make it, i would do exactly what musk has done. exactly. i would make sure that every employee focused on the fact that they might lose their job as opposed to focusing on their job, fearful of the next day. now, i don't just suppose that. i know that. let me quote russell vaught, who really designed much of what is going on and being implemented by elon musk and his cohorts. here's what vaught said. we want bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. when they wake up in the morning, we want them not to want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. we want to put them in trauma. is there an american who thinks that that's what they want to do with their employees, with the people who serve them every day? put them in trauma, have them believe t

sheila hoyer was not was was hoyer was not that familiar with his case.n of domestic violence, which a lot of law and law enforcement officials will tell you is a big red flag when it comes to giving people guns back. >> well, not even just domestic violence people, but this version of the united states supreme court agrees. in june of 2024, the supreme court ruled 8 to 1 to uphold a federal law that prohibits people subjected to domestic violence restraining orders from having firearms. clarence thomas was the only dissent. so it's a mainstream, including maga legal position. >> well, and that's part of the reason why it was confusing within the justice department, why there was such an effort to do this, because the supreme court had just ruled on this very topic and seemingly was very comfortable with the law as it currently stands. but what miss hoyer described to us is that there is an effort underway inside the justice department to change this and essentially create a new ability or a previously unused ability by the justice department itself to gi

leader hoyer, senator, and the other people who are sponsoring this bill. i want to especially thank these brave public employees though because they can tell this story much more eloquently than i can. they are living it every day. they are on the front lines and they are the ones who are suffering directly the consequences of this rash action. now you've seen a lot of representatives here from maryland because so many public employees live in the washington area, but i'm here to tell you they live all across the country , in every district. i represent nevada's first district, southern nevada, and we have seen the firing of these temporary employees or probational employees. at lake mead, for example, some of our park rangers have been let go. lake mead is a source of great recreational tourism. a lot of revenue comes from lake mead. a lot of just personal fun from people who live in southern nevada going to lake mead. without those park rangers, it will not be maintained. it will not be as safe. it will not be cleaned. it just will not be the same. anoth

and liz hoyer is my source tonight, and it's great to have you here. you believe that you were you were fired because you did not recommend mel gibson have this ability restored. why do you believe that? >> well, i was not. >> given any reason for my termination. but what i can tell you is that within hours of my decision not to do that, i was escorted out of my office by doj security officers. >> and so you essentially had been given, from what i read of your comments, there was a list of some 95 people that you had recommended. you got the list back, and it had nine people on the list. was mel gibson on that list? how did this actually play out? >> no, the list that i generated was based on the ordinary review that my office does of individuals who are applying for presidential pardons, which includes an extensive background investigation analogous to what you would need to undergo to get a top secret security clearance. so those people, those 95 people were people who had been extensively vetted, and all of them had in common that they had committed

stylists say that yost hoyer was on top of that trend, but he also passed on a timeless technique and many of the people who learn from him directly are still working in the bay area. >> still ahead, like dog, like owner experts. explain why some humans. look just like their past. >> it has often been said the dogs sometimes look like their owners a pretty good example where experts are weighing in, suggesting there's a psychological reason for this studies show people often choose pets that look like themselves. for example, women with long hair, they say tend to prefer dogs with long years on presume long for experts say the stems from our comfort with things that feel familiar, not just pets they say were drawn to all kinds of things that remind us of ourselves, including cars and even socks. i think that chives. >> yeah. i mean, it kind of makes sense like looks like a baby cow. was not a dalmatian. i think that's a great i was thinking going on then looking right. my left close me said they were just dressed like not sure that counts, but it's okay they wanted a photo of they did

now, hoyer was just on cnn in the last hour talking about this experience and basically just to explain to you what her job is, she is not there to do political pardons or anything like that. she is there for the regular person who has paid their penance. they've written in letters from their friends and neighbors saying they will never do this again. it's an arduous process. she likened it to getting a top secret security clearance. they want to put mel gibson on this list because he's the president's friend. >> that's what she claims. so i watched the interview. i just happened to see it just before i got here. why doesn't she say who told her to do that? why is it then this happened, and then this kind of happened and this sort of happened, and i'm here on tv talking about it. if you're going to make a claim like that, show me the email, make the claim. tell me who told you to do that. disclose it and be transparent. >> provided the title of the person who. >> she's fired now. >> so why does. >> she just. what i'm wondering is, why does that matter? why does it change? what? >> becau

hoyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentlelady for yielding. and i adopt all of what the leader said. notwithstanding a rebuttal from the chairman of the committee. this bill is about giving trump more unfettered power. that's what this bill is about. this country is in crisis and chaos. over the last 45 days, 45-plus days. and this bill will continue that process. the congress, if it passes this bill, will have failed. we should have passed all of our bills by september 30. of last year. we didn't. we then passed, as some of the republicans have said, some appropriation bills. all of them were partisan bills. this is a partisan bill. in a congress that is that close, you would think that we would come together and work together. but one of our members said, if trump says pat our heads and jump up and down, that's what we'll do. welcome to the pat our heads and jump up and down c.r. a c.r. is failure. the majority puts forth its partisan c.r. that helps this administration dismantle vital services for

and, of course, there's nancy pelosi, ukraine flag in her hand, steny hoyer with a ukraine colors tidethe former leaders of the house for democrats. john boseman is in the center of your screen. former governor of virginia, right behind him, elizabeth warren. the senate has still not gotten seeded. we been watching them come down the aisle for quite a while. hakeem jeffries and debbie dingle. debbie's husband, the late john dingell, was in the house for years and years. jasmine, do you see a lot of men members coming through the white house? jasmine: yes, through the years, an unannounced meeting with the president, because they said, you know, i have not been here in four years but i was not invited the entire time joe biden was in office. they are excited to be in there, to be back in the oval office, really, frankly, to be back in power. the president has been really adamant about having these members of congress come over to the white house. it's one of the biggest tools that the president can use, not just the power of the president but really bremen lawmakers on air force one, br

hoyer: i ask unanimous consent to speak for one minute, revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. hoyer: first, mr. speaker, i applaud and support the remarks of the gentlelady from north carolina. we must be on ukraine's side and against dictators, despots and war criminals. now, mr. speaker, i rise today to honor a great marylander, a dedicated champion of our men and women in uniform, a former member of this body, beverly byron, a dear friend of mine for over 60 years. she passed away at the age of 92 on february 9. when beverly succeeded her husband in congress after his sudden passing in 1978, many people underestimated her. throughout her 14 years in congress, however, she proved to be a gifted leader in her own right. she became the first woman to chair a house armed services subcommittee. her commitment to her constituents and to her principles earned her respect on both sides of the aisle. mr. speaker, this congress needs more leaders like beverly byron today. her passing is a grea

liz hoyer, former pardon attorney at the department of justice, fired by the attorney general, i guess, there for refusing to give mel gibson a pardon. sign off on one missouri. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> chris. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> chris. that was one of the most riveting interviews i have ever seen. i will i will tell you right now i have no interest in mel gibson at all. the celebrity part of this actually is repellent to me, not attractive. and yet that was super important, unbelievably compelling. and i don't know what i'm going to do to circulate that interview, but i'm going to figure out some way that i can circulate that interview, because that was incredible. >> i'm so glad you feel that way. i thought the point that she made, which really at the core of this, is that like she spent a bunch of time to find ordinary people who were deserving of this grant and wrote it up and send it, and they were like, add mel gibson, which is just sort of the whole thing. >> and do

liz hoyer, former pardon attorney at the department of justice, fired by the attorney general, i guess

liz hoyer, former pardon attorney at the department of justice, fired by the attorney general, i guessfor refusing to give mel gibson a pardon. sign off on one missouri. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> chris. >> that is all in on this tuesday night. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening rachel. >> chris. that was one of the most riveting interviews i have ever seen. i will i will tell you right now i have no interest in mel gibson at all. the celebrity part of this actually is repellent to me, not attractive. and yet that was super important, unbelievably compelling. and i don't know what i'm going to do to circulate that interview, but i'm going to figure out some way that i can circulate that interview, because that

hoyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentlelady for yielding. and i adopt all of what the leader said. notwithstanding a rebuttal from the chairman of the committee. this bill is about giving trump more unfettered power. that's what this bill is about. this country is in crisis and chaos. over the last 45 days, 45-plus days. and this bill will continue that process. the congress, if it passes this bill, will have failed. we should have passed all of our bills by september 30. of last year. we didn't. we then passed, as some of the republicans have said, some appropriation bills. all of them were partisan bills. this is a partisan bill. in a congress that is that close, you would think that we would come together and work together. but one of our members said, if trump says pat our heads and jump up and down, that's what we'll do. welcome to the pat our heads and jump up and down c.r. a c.r. is failure. the majority puts forth its partisan c.r. that helps this administration dismantle vital services for

you see nancy pelosi, house speaker emeritus sitting next to sami hoyer wearing the pink and they are unified in their pink outfits tonight. we don't know what's going to happen with democrats as harold mentioned earlier. let's bring in our panel, chief political analyst brit hume innmak dana perino as coanchor of america's newsroom, cohost of the five. harold ford jr. former congressman and host of the five. we have a lot of those. and larry kudlow. let me start with you. obviously heading into the speech tariffs is the big talk of today and what it means for the u.s. economy. we assume as we are waiting for the first lady to walk in as she does right now. melania trump. what do you think about this moment and that economic issue? >> i think there's a lot of talk about modifying the tariffs that were slapped on canada and mexico today. it's a bit confusing. that's what harold let nick told me on our show. you and i talked about it on your show. i don't know if the president will address the tariff thing directly. i'm hoping that he has a big sort of unleashed prosperity here. his who

i believe that now, the new york times says, at that moment, nancy pelosi leans over to steny hoyer and goes, oh my god. um, this is what does a moment like that say? >> i'm sure that's an emotional moment that connected with a lot of people. i just want to 160 years ago tonight, abraham lincoln gave his inaugural his second inaugural address. he said, with malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness, firmness in the right as god gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds. what a different spirit that was. and that was after a civil war. so it's one thing to mine our differences. it's another thing to try and heal our differences. and that is, you know, that that's the difference between real leadership and political expediency. >> would it have been healing to stand for marc fogel might have been no. >> i agree. look, you know, you are absolutely right. d.j. johnson. i will do what you will not. i will say, i thought democrats i thought that was just i think there were times when they should have risen. i think w

oh, a leader, this leader, hoyer. they love when you call it leader.ressman so you. >> can call me whatever. >> you want. >> joe. >> yeah. you just just call me for dinner. i saw a an article the other day. it was so disingenuous, congressman. it was somewhere where they said, oh, the pushback. these guys were really hearing it. these were. and i looked at it. it was all democrats that were crashing the local congressional meeting. but you're not going to see that. they're going to say, oh my god, even, you know, all of his constituents are are angry about doge. i still think there's a what's the public opinion on on doge right now, would you say, congressman, just as a guess? well. >> i would say anecdotally, based on what i'm hearing back from my district, it's about a 70, 75% excited and happy that this is actually happening. they've been waiting for it for a. >> long time. >> and you're right. you've got these activists. many of them are paid activists. they represent different groups that have been making their money. >> off. >> the government for