existing salary savings in the hsa 13-14 budget. as a matter of fact, the department has a total of surplus funds of 10.8 million. so mr. chairman and members of the committee, you might want to criticize, you might criticize the budget analyst for why we did not make further recommended reductions for this fiscal year. we always attempt to be conservative, anything we recommend we are very very conservative and are quite certain that what we have recommended will be far less than what the department could absorb and in this case they've got millions of dollars worth of unexpended savings in salary savings. by the way, that's been consistent, i might add, for the past several years in this department. >> when you ask the department why there is such a big increase, what is their response? >> in terms of the salary savings? >> salary savings. >> basically, it's a problem throughout the city. it's with the human resources department it's difficult, there is turnover, when you have 27,000 employees in an operation, it is very difficult

supervisors, on page, the bottom of page 10 of our report, the last paragraph there where it says that hsa has a total of 157.2. the department provided us with updated information and we now would revise that number to 152.2, or 5 positions less than the 157.2, and these are across the relevant classifications that we're talking to today. on page -- well, i can go now to our recommendations. first of all our first recommendation on page 12 is to reduce this requested supplemental appropriation by 1349.58, as i understand the department concurs with our recommendation. that's recommendation no. 1. on recommendation no. 2, we're recommending with respect to all of these positions that instead of a hire date of april 1st that it be may 1st. as i understand it, the department concurs with that recommendation. so it is the third recommendation that we have a disagreement on. and in that third recommendation, based on the new information provided by the department that there are 5 positions which we had previously identified as being vacant which are in fact filled positions, therefore we concu

those levels that we need to be providing, and we have to debate every year, and you know, dph, and hsa and what level of support do we want to include with our supportive housing and you know, we actually make the decisions at the very end of the budget process and we try to move a little bit of money, towards you know the great every support, for the people who are homeless, and i would like to be able to use some of this evidence, to say that you know, in all cases, you know, we are going to need to do that at that level of support and it actually has a great deal of effectiveness, and we see better out comes. so, i just want to thank you for showing this and i think that it is something that we need to be able to look at across and not just dph, but hsa as well. hsa is actually kind of where we see kind of the greatest difficulty in trying to make sure that we are not just from a funding, or, you know, beds, but actually we are funding supportive services, and to help people, and find the greater opportunities, and so the case management, and the employment, and you know, counseling

and 13 percent is what we call lost, or the local operating subsidies and those are new programs to hsa and new in terms of the sro master lease. and ten percent of our units are family units and 90 percent are adults. >> this is not... >> this is a portion of what we have in the city. >> exactly. >> just to be clear. >> thank you. >> all right. >> so moving on to the cost for the shelter which is i think why we are here today, to look at the cost benefits and the effectiveness of homeless programs in san francisco as a city. and so the cost per shelter bed, for all of our shelters, the average cost per bed, night is $29, or an average of $10,585 per year. so, then the next door shelter, which is the larger shelter, and it is 24 a night or $8760. the sanctuary *, $32 a night, $11680 and msc south, $29, $10,585 a year. but, if you take the family shelters, all of them which includes the emergency, and all is three. and the average cost per bed is $31 or $11,315 a year. >> could i ask you, has that stayed relatively constant? >> it has. we are just we are just releasing it for the single

putting it on reserve it would just be back in a few weeks but it would be i think next year's the hsa position ordinance increasing that. that's almost --. >> so i have a mind --. >> sorry, there's another option to thin for a week to see if everyone can figure this out and i'll throw that out there's a different option. >> we can do that too. >> again, i'm sensitive to timing and implementing, i'm sorry mr. city attorney if i screwed up my explanation there of my thought process. >> deputy city attorney john gepner. i wanted to be sure i was understanding supervisor avalos' comment. you can place funds on reserve. if you want to consider future aso amendments you can do that by continuing the item or as supervisor farrell says, approving the positions for this fiscal year, considering the position begin in next year's aso which you will be considering. >> i just don't know how to land on the number of positions in the aso to move forward today, but we do have money that is from the state, we know it's a certify night amount that would cover the services and the positions. so what i w

issues among our homeless as they age and definitely looking towards a department of public health and hsa and looking at the issues of folks that can't self-care and have serious medical issues and that we are having a difficulty dealing with and so again, we support that evidence and the suggestion as far as the medical shelter, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker, please? >> good morning, i'm respit and the actor now, and some of you might have counseled with him and said that this is known as another... (inaudible) thank you for having this hearing. and impart of the hespa group and i am really committed to the proposal even though that i think that the two or three supervisors are already on board with the needs of our community. and so it is really like preaching to the choir, thank you for all of the support that you have given us, as service providers, and i know that you support what our work, and i thank you for that. >> thank you, very much. next speaker. >> good afternoon, supervisors, i'm kim and i am the member of the local homeless coordinating board appointed

that but we have got to focus in on the long term stayers and a lot of work and meeting with dph and hsa to identify what are the barriers who have prevented people who have housing offers or should be at a stage where we are moving into housing and continue to fund the permanent housing exits and i think that we absolutely know that by putting more inventory on-line that we can house the people on the street, overwhelmingly, i am not encountering people that are service resistant, i encounter people with justice barriers or barriers of possession, or having a partner that can't stay with them in the shelter and i think that permanent housing is the solution that can help us. >> thank you, director. >> any questions. >> okay. >> why don't we move on. thank you for being here, and for all of your hard work, and thanks for your presentation, also. >> good morning, and joyce, crum human services agency. and they touched on a lot of topics that i am going to cover this morning and i am going to run through the slide, and first i am going to cover, the single adult shelter and then families,

resources and the additional staff as well, but i'm just wondering what the school district and also hsa or the other departments could do to protect people's immigration status or address the fear they have releasing information to the federal g do you have thoughts to overcome the immigration concerns especially in an era even in the obama administration there have been deportations so the fear is real. >> right. i hope there will be a profile in the paper of a family receiving aid and the parents aren't documented and the children are and addressing in a palpable way what the anxieties are. maybe with a spanish speaking immigrant, somebody cantonese speaking and the anxieties are different between the groups. we're in a tricky situation because according to the lawyers i have spoke with we can't make the promise we won't share information and we might be required to and if a handout goes out and the next day the government says you have to share information so it's tricky. i am told by those in

resources and the additional staff as well, but i'm just wondering what the school district and also hsa or the other departments could do to protect people's immigration status or address the fear they have releasing information to the federal g do you have thoughts to overcome the immigration concerns especially in an era even in the obama administration there have been deportations so the fear is real. >> right. i hope there will be a profile in the paper of a family receiving aid and the parents aren't documented and the children are and addressing in a palpable way what the anxieties are. maybe with

i cannot figure out where to put the deposits that my insurance company makes into my hsa.oes not go on line 2 or 9 or 10. i'm not sure where to put that. guest: why is your insurance putting it into your account? caller: my insurance company takes a portion of my -- i'm sorry. i can hear you. guest: i am waiting for your question. caller: they take a portion of my premium and put it into my hsa. i am showing that as income. i do not know where to put that on the form, to report it. i don't have to pay taxes on it. i do not pay taxes on my rhenium. -- premium. it is not deductible to meet, because everything has already been paid. guest: i have not filled out that form. i cannot help you, i am sorry. i am confused by it. i know it is confusing to a lot of people. you have to report your contributions and the employer's contributions. host: anything we should be aware of tax wise in 2014? started covering texas 35 years ago, we were working with the code of 1954. in 1986, we got forms -- now we work with 1986. that is 32 years. nothing is happening until 2018. that is when 3

the letter was about a number of things that we can do on health care, expand the use of hsa's, competition state lines, high risk pools, etc. we sent that letter and said, mr. president, you said you will meet with anybody at any time. we sent a letter in december, we give the president until after christmas, came back from christmas, not one word from the white house on it. then, the president reiterated almost that exact same quote that is a talking point, as part of the politics. he used that same quote in the state of the union. almost precisely the same quote. what did we do? every day, we put out a press release. we said we want to hear. we are up to 113 days since he first made that offer. he made it again yesterday. i understand that as long as there is an individual with the last name obama, that he is not going to sign a repeal of obamacare. i understand that. i have voted numerous times to repeal it. i understand that he is not going to sign that. the bottom line is that he has made this offer, but he has not been willing to me with me or any of the other 34. host: let's talk ab