the testimony i've heard on behalf of hsn, they are participants as private property owners and they do one of the things we want, which is to bring people to the area, to activate the area at night. by the way, the first i heard about this is in the testimony. what i'm troubled by is the notion on the one hand, there was robust outreach and on the other hand, the representative of shn is saying that they came to learn about this very late in the process. so i think the question before us, particularly given that every aspect of a cbd is under the authority of legislative body. we can create them. if there's a majority vote and we don't want to do it, we don't have to do it. we can actually terminate them in the middle of their term. i mean, every aspect of a cbd is under the generatio jurisdictioe legislative body. body. i'm worried that an outfit as part of their business model has their own security and what have you, that our participants and want to be participants and i don't even know what the financial delta is between what they pay as a tenderloin participant versus what the