these headsets need gravity to work, but htc makes it work. a third generation firefighter in the united states. and you put on the sensors on the body, correct? >> that's right. liz: so they can actually feel the heat. and it costs much less than when they build actual training facilities that they then have to burn down for $300,000. >> that's right. you can actually take down your straining costs by 85% -- training costs by 85% and increase your speed of training by over 400%. liz: dan, let's show it one more time. it's very light. how much does it weigh? >> about 80 grams. liz: you still have them for gaming, etc. >> that's right. we still participate in the gaming world. very active in that space, very, very successful. liz: again. htc ci -- vive. headsets, very much a trendful we're going to walk over here though. we're going old school. remember pinball machines? oh, my god, i have to show you stern pinball is updating the pinball machine to something absolutely fascinating here. it's got a new game. hello, jaws. we recognize bruce, the

you have the meta folks trying to compete, but htc vibe is going inside window, the enterprise world.cases we'll show you from surgery to firefighting training all that kind of stuff. it is all about the gadgets and gizmos here, cheryl, i have to tell you even before the show opened the doors today, attendees, screaming in here, 130,000 plus, we're getting exact numbers as hours go by, they were dying to see something that isn't even inside, the sphere, the new entertainment venue that is unbelievable. so what the fox business crew and i did last night, we went right up against it. we went to it and we're going to show all of the goally golly gee whiz technology in there that as the entire show gobsmacked. it is huge multibillion-dollar industry that is consumer electronics and fox business as i said is your press pass because you can't get in without this. cheryl: we'll see you in 12 minutes, liz. i want to say you had me at tv. if you take a baseball bat or golf club to that tv i will be watching, that is one of the best things you done at ces i have a long memory list. >> we're in

in all our business has gone through the jv which obviously htc is a local entity so that's a plus.the end of the calendar year or beginning of calendar 2025. >> but i do wonder if there's going to be any antitrust scrutiny, for instance, on the fact, antonio, juniper mentions hpe as one of its principle competitors. they think there will be overlap between the aruba and mist assets. any concerns on that front? >> i don't, but obviously we have to work through the process. we're going to collaborate with the regulatregulators. the combination of hpe and juniper is still significantly smaller than the larger ones. we don't believe that's a challenge. in many ways, actually a good thing because it gives customers choice and flexibility. and so from that standpoint, i don't see an issue. from an overlap perspective, we don't see -- rama and i see it exactly the same way. we don't believe there's an overlap here. remember, juniper networks through the ai driven mist approach. they have addressed different verticals with different type of use cases where aruba has addressed other vertica