paul: html is the language to make a webpage. it's a set of tags, you described, this is a headline, this is a paragraph and so forth. that's how -- the web is fundamentally in these markup tags in that content. java is a straight up programming language. you sit down and write code, write instructions, and it is all compiled together. there's lots of lineages like -- languages like this. what makes java very interesting is it is very popular in the enterprise. it is a big language for building big systems. charlie: it came out of sun microsystems, didn't it? paul ford: right, and it is well aligned with the goals of oracle. what makes java so possible is that has an enormous amount of pre-existing, very well organized code. charlie: help me here. a language java or html or whatever it might be, there are 1700 coding languages. josh: that's just the beginning. charlie: ok, the beginning. what is a language? josh: it's really just a set of instructions. charlie: that's what it is? paul ford: yeah, it's guidelines. if you do these