as you know, one month ago, chinese president hu jintao paid a visit to this country and held productive talks with president obama. both our leaders declared their commitment to building a cooperative the partnership based on mutual respect and mutual benefits. his visit is important and will surely give new impetus to the overall development of our bilateral relations. in all 50 states, the state of california and san francisco, in particular, will benefit from this. this year is also a remarkable year for san francisco. for the first time in its 162- year history, you have and we have four asian american supervisors. and the first time in history, we have a chinese-american mayor. it is not only, i think, a recognition of asian americans, chinese americans, but of the contribution to the overall development to the city, and also, a vivid expression of the cultural makeup of san francisco which made the city so dynamic, strong and beautiful. ladies and gentlemen, the chinese counsel stands ready to work with you in the future to work and make san francisco -- as mere ly said -- the bes

hu jintao warned about zero-sum thinking, and president obama also said when he went to china, "we donot see the world as a zero-sum game." what they are both saying is that gains in prosperity and power for china in this case need not come at the expense of the united states. i am slightly challenging that. or rather, i am saying in the aftermath of economic crisis, it does look bright on the u.s. and china particularly that a richer and more powerful china does actually challenging united states in both economic and political ways. there are some good developments. creative leadership might be a way to reestablish cooperation. the reason a zero-sum feature it is that i think we are moving to an era of international rivalries, u.s./china at the center of it, but probably also the european union, and the diplomats, the global government, efforts to find solutions to a whole range of issues like nuclear proliferation and food prices and economic development. they are all stuck, and they are all stuck for a reason, because countries cannot find common solutions because their national in

. >> as we are taking this interview, clay shirky, hu jintao happens to be in washington. should the facebook in google and being of the world be held accountable for policies that they as private corporations develop in china? >> that is really complicated question. ultimately i have to take the democratic punt, which is that is a question for congress. it is so large and touches so many things, then i think there is no legitimate regulatory answer to that question. i think that only the most legitimized body, the representatives we all send to congress, can actually hash out the question of do what americans to be able to complete on a level playing field? it means going into our credit, but -- countries and abiding by their rules. -- it means going into autocratic countries and abiding by their rules. do you want to say that the u.s. as one of the world's anchor democracies records -- regards democracy promotion as a federal objective? there is also the way in which u.s. citizens may well have a stake in this debate, separate from our elected representatives. people wou

saudis who have been an america is good buddy friend for years will start you know entertaining hu jintao more often and obama and the whole white house gang will be in the short bus trying to make their way down to the coast for a little r. and r. because they're flicked in on a ploy well i have another chart here to show you that the u.s. is not looking for a solution to this problem of saudi arabia running out of oil are indeed spending as share of sales so this is for the u.s. corporations you see over on the left of this chart the pharmaceuticals spend eighteen point seven percent all the way on the right devon the very bottom energy spends less than point three percent on research and development and this includes research into conventional fuel such as ultra deep water drilling in new oil refining techniques so they're not looking for any other solution for our energy crisis coming up not because there's no more oil to find there's no more big fields to find and they you know they can find some oil trapped under four or five miles of rock and salt in the middle of an ocean somewher

. >> host: president hu jintao china is in town. that is one of the -- china has been in the news quite a bit when it comes to tolkien indications policies and social media. what is the u.s. position when it comes to the chinese government and its view of essentially private technology? >> guest:well, we have as we like to say a very broad but comprehensive relationship with our chinese friends. there are a lot of areas where we have significant agreements and where our interactions we think are being very productive. it is one of the most essential relationships on the planet and one that may be among the most important in the 21st century to see work out well. so it is something we work at very hard on a continuing basis. we have issues with the chinese that we are very frank about with respect both to the free flow of information within china and also with respect to chinese respect for intellectual property rights. these are issues that we discuss with them. we discussed them on a regular basis and we discussed them in a very fr

. >> [speaking chinese] >> not long ago, president hu jintao made a visit to the united states. it has achieved fruitful results. one of them being the signing of the memorandum of understanding concerning the establishment of the china-u.s. governors forum. with the active efforts of the chinese people's association for friendship with foreign countries and the american national governors' association, the mechanism of this forum will be officially established. this is a pioneering undertaking to expand the national corporations. i believe with the establishment of this forum, there will be more closer cooperation for the local government of our two countries. the increasing exchanges and cooperation will in ridge and invigorate the china-u.s. cooperative partnership based on mutual respect, mutual benefit, and a win-win outcome. >> [speaking chinese] [speaking chinese] >> i have visited the united states many times. in february 2009, i met with many business leaders. most of whom were pessimistic, and told me they had no idea when they call me -- how the economy would get out

during president hu jintao's visit we got to commitments in one. the you're going to provide money. said they would do this a number of times they didn't get their government in the sub government any resource to purchase a legitimate software. for the first time they've committed to do that and second, we did get them to make a commitment to honor that. but as you know, our engagement with china is important, its complex, and there's the reason that we have regular engagement with china through the jcct as well as economic dialogue, and we will be as diligent as you say the chinese are crafty and pressing them to make sure they honor and respect the american intellectual property and copyright because that is an extraordinary opportunity for our industries to grow in the debt markets. >> thank you. i appreciate that. and if there's things we can do i hope you will let us know because if this committee would be interested in trying to support the ustr in their enforcement efforts. we know that through passed through the budget ministry should free trade agreement. after the agreemen

president obama made hu jintao look good on rate.sident defended his friend -- his dictator friends inside the chinese had a different culture, which i found to be an absolute insult to the chinese people, especially those suffering and are being tortured for demanding their fundamental human rights. he was a singularly a different political system and that was the defense and that's what the "washington post" picked up five, different systems and dictatorship. my question is, you know, i think we need to be questioned and i would respectfully submit to you the questions we talk about consistency and principles, even though chevelle, as we all know something was said behind the scene, but we need public statement, not one that dictatorship is in its final hours, but consistently and in a very transparent passion let them know we know. i read all the chinese press after the fact in people's daily, at least mystery there there. they called hu jintao trip to washington a tour de force that he took over washington that we were sitting th

of they called hu jintao's trip to washington a trip de force.re and feebled by the effort that we showed. so i'm very concerned when we talk about consistency. i do have a question about freedom of press and reporters in particular. reporters without borders suggests that as many as 79 journalists have been attacked in egypt, 76 detained, one has been killed. do we know how high up in the command whether or not the army, whether or not the military, whether or not mubarak ordered that, or did it come from the muslim brotherhood, or was it just an outgrowth of the chaos of the day even day? and secondly, i'd like to ask about a very disturbing report that an american company has sold the egyptian government what is called deep packet inspection technology, highly-advanced technology that allows the purchaser to search the content of e-mails as they pass through the internet routers. the report is from an ngo called free press and has revealed about it business. now, no way of knowing the information the egyptian government gleaned from his techno

and i think we saw the beginning of some of that in obama's meeting with hu jintao last week. so are we going to continue to be the exceptional power, where we feel everybody should follow our lead? or are we going to dilute that and move away from a sense of entitlement to more of a sense of moderation and cooperation? that's one philosophy. on the other side, comes a loud and clear statement from the neoconservatives voiced here by robert kagan in an article in the weekly standard dated yesterday. he lists 25 interventions that united states has been involved in since 1898. he said we have been at war for about 42.5% of the last century and decade, and his closing line is, history has provided some lessons. and for the united states, the lesson has been fairly clear. the world is better off and the united states is better off in the kind of international system that american power has built and defended. so there you have two starkly differing views of how the united states should proceed, how the united states should proceed itself, how the united states should relate to ot

what each of us would like to do, what the president would like to you and what hu jintao would likemake d.c. comics work much were effectively together, reduce a lot of the current frictions if they work. so each of us has a tremendous interest and the other side success of restructuring their domestic economy. to the extent that each side falls short we will have more problems. >> let me take a parochial financial market perspective on this. without an eight minute discussion in china no one has said reserves. but the fact is insurance of the adjustments coming forward, the chinese because of their strategy of export led growth, have to buy large quantities of u.s. the government securities. we are not in the of creating lots of u.s. government securities. as china makes its adjustment in terms of exchange rate in opening up its own capital markets, we had better be on a glide path that makes us less reliant on them, because they will not be there to by our government debt in the way they are now. >> their service macro adjustment issue which i would like to come back to. let's giv

when i have the occasion to meet with president hu jintao, in 2006 when he visited the united states, i asked him what some of his priorities were. he indicated he wanted to work with us in washington state on environmentally-related issues. since that time, we have transferred to china technology to make cold-fired plants cleaner for the environment and for the people of china, and thus for the world. that is what we want to do on a sub-national level and advance the competitiveness of both nations, provinces, and states, but also to the mutual benefit of the people of china and the united states. we have to develop a trust and friendship if we are going to be able to grow our respective and economies. we want this forum to be an opportunity to grow the french ship, to grow that trust, and to allow all of our peoples to be able to profit. i think this is an historic day. i think the minister of the foreign affairs of china, our secretary of state, our secretaries here today and madame li as well as my colleague. i think this will be wonderful for america and wonderful for china. than