and there is a supreme court ruling involving web hubbell, a former law partner of hillary clinton if make a decision about which documents are relevant to a subpoena, that could be a form of testimony, and it's covered by the fifth amendment. so this is going to be a very interesting legal argument. and i think it's pretty clear to say that it's not going to end here. whoever loses will likely appeal. this could drag on for quite some time. >> but paul, bridget kelly is the author of the e-mail as i said, "time for some traffic problems." now, here is what bridget kelly's attorney said about that e-mail. listen to this. >> everybody says my god, this does it. this ask the document. reduce the lanes. okay. so when i look at this document, i look, on its face, on its face, does it regard the george washington bridge? nope. on its face, does it regard the reduction of three lanes to one, access lanes to the george washington bridge? no. >> i mean, is this stretching the argument to the breaking point, paul? i mean, he won't even concede the e-mail is about the lane closings. >> well, re