went and spoke to them and said it you keep making trouble i will be off of the ticket and hubert humphreywas the hero of the white civil rights supporters. in the end fannie lou hamer was on television testifying how she had been beaten trying to registered to vote and how she were pledged to suppo johnson and work for his election and he called a press conference that that tv cameras caught cover speech so he could get her off of television. in the end of the credentials committee rammed through a deal who was the head? a young minneapolis politician walter mondale. my sense of 1964 is never turn you're back in a liberal in a tight corner. [laughter] >> also fannie lou hamer, that they took a vote and act mfd and decided they would not accept the compromise and the young people who were there actually left that meeting feeling very proud they had made the right decision. >> the interesting saying is that is the view that i came with the four started to look at this. nothing that i looked at change my view of what mattered but that was not i.f. stone of view. as i say in the book, 85 was

it's hard to imagine the democratic party in the 50s without hubert humphrey the great leader of civil rights. it's hard to imagine a republican party without everitt dirksen or barry goldwater or the republican party without nelson rockefeller. without a leader like teddy, where is the democratic party right now? >> that's a really good question, chris. i'm not sure because you don't have those -- those independent leaders of stature in the congress that you used to have. they're just not there. senate in recent years has become much more like the house. they're raising money all the time. sticking with ideological brethren all the time preaching to their respective choirs all the time, not independent perps or independent personages if you will, they're not independent moral forces and whether it was barry goldwater as you said or gene mccarthy that will somebody else you might mention or hubert humphrey or ev dirksen on the republican side, those kinds of figures who provide ballast for the party are gone. right now all the power of the democratic party is concentrated in barack oba

you know, like hubert humphrey and jonas salk and willie mays, you're part of the times we live in, you're part of the fabric of the '40s, the '50s, the '60s.'he warmed up maybe that much. i said--now i figured i'm really going to start selling. i said, 'you know, frank'--and i shouldn't have called him frank. i didn't even know him. i said, 'you know, frank, people of my generation remember who they were and where they were by what frank sinatra song was popular at the time.' now maybe i got another two degrees of heat. he said, 'what'll you pay me?' i said, 'look, you don't have enough money to buy a documentary about yourself. cbs doesn't have enough money to pay you what you're worth. why don't we call it a wash?' that seemed to work. he said, 'how do i know i can trust you?' and i said, 'i'm going to ask you to sit in a seat opposite walter cronkite.' this is my shining moment. how i thought of this, i don't know. i said, 'i'm going to ask you to sit in a seat opposite walter cronkite. that's the same seat that dwight eisenhower, jack kennedy and lyndon johnson sat in. if you don't th

to fd a way to differentia himself from eugene carthy and from johnso's hand-picked suessor, hubert humphreythen, flying into indianapolis, indna, he received ws that would shock t country. john lew: the evening of apr 4, 1968, we were in the mid of organizing a rall an odoor rally in a transitiol neighborhood. and metime during the gatherg of people, someoninformed us that martiluther king, jr. had en shot. narrator: no one in the crowd t knew of king's death. some kennedy aid urged him to cancel his pearance for fe the crowd's anger at the news might turn on m. kennedy refud. lewis: robert kennedy came in and spoke, spe from his soul, the dept of his soul. martinuther king has been shot and was killed tonight in memphis, tennsee. (audience screamg) for those of you who a black and are tempted to fill with. to be filled wh hatred and mistrust the injustice of such an ac ainst all white people, i would ly say that i can al feel in my own heart the same kind of feeli. i had a member of my family killed, but heas killed by a white man it is not the end of violence, it is not e end of lawlessne

. >> kennedy, in a popular liberal from minnesota, senator hubert humphrey were left alone to contest the early primaries. >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen, from the great city of charleston, west virginia. >> the key battleground was west virginia, a heavily protestant state where kennedy's religion would be put to the test. compared to the cool jack, humphrey looked and sounded like a typical politician. >> this is my wife. how do you do? mrs. halston, glad to see you. >> as planned, kennedy's team played up their man's youth and war records, contrasting lieutenant kennedy's hero status with humphrey's failure to serve in world war ii, a fact that still amuses kennedy friend ben bradley who served on a destroyer in the pacific. >> humphrey wasn't in world war ii. he wasn't, you know, what was he a hospital mate or something like that? >> you guys are unbelievable. this is what i'm talking about. you guys kept score on who was in the front. >> we knew people's war records. we sure did. >> remember, senator john f. kennedy can be our next president. >> kennedy trailed humphrey by 20

he was a protege of hubert humphrey.ought a lot of thought to it. as far as vice presidents, he was the heartehardest to pin do. al gore was a very passionate advocate for the promises that he worked on. even before clinton picked him, he had consulted on environmental policy. luckily for them, clinton and gore had different interests that they were passionate about . clinton had not spent that much time on environmental policy. he was happy to give up vice- president gore some running room on that issue. i think it might have been more difficult if he had two guys who were done on the same issues -- who had worked on all the same issues and had a different promises. it worked out quite well for us. >> [inaudible] one thing that we have not mentioned that i think is worth noting since we all came out of the white house, is the when the present first comes into office, he has a large number of people positioned that require confirmation. people cannot active in those positions until the are confirmed. the initiative inevi

. >> kennedy and a popular liberal from minnesota, senator hubert humphrey, were left alone to contestarly primaries. >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the great city of charleston, west virginia. >> in 1960, the key battleground was west virginia, a heavily protestant state where kennedy's religion would be put to the test. humphrey looked and sounded like a typical politicians. >> this is my wife, how do you do? mrs. halls ton, glad to see you. >> as planned, kennedy played up their man's youth and war record, comparing kennedy's war hero status with humphrey's failure to receiver in world war ii, a fact that still amuses kennedy's friend ben bradley who served on a destroyer in the pacific. >> humphrey wasn't in ward war ii. he was a hospital maid or something like that. >> you guys are unbelievable. this is what i'm talking about, you guys kept score on who was in the front. >> we knew people's war record. we sure did. >> remember senator john f. kennedy can be our next president. >> with four weeks left, kennedy trailed humphrey by 20%, so his campaign turned up the heat, buyi

assassinated, democratic party in chicago with that horrible convention was, at best, ambivalent about hubert humphreyw and i think he was right that had he given the word, the delegates probably would have gone to ted kennedy, especially because -- didn't feel that antagonism. >> michael, i'm going to ask you to hang on a minute. we're going to take a quick break. >> sure. >> we will come right back and talk more about that. ramesh is joining the conversation. we are not the only three talking about this. you can share your thoughts and memories of senator ted kennedy. go to the following website on your screen and logon. >>> coming up next we now take a look at how younger americans remember the lion of the senate. plus can you say senator drescher some that's right. we ask the actress and health care advocate the question everyone wants to know. you're watching msnbc live. i'm carlos watson. pollen. when i really liked to be outside, i did not like suffering from nasal allergy symptoms like congestion. but nasonex relief may i say... bee-utiful! prescription nasonex is proven to help relieve indoor

you know, where would we be without hubert humphrey for civil rights in the '60s.t seems like that's where we are with health care. >> that's where we are. if we had had teddy kennedy and perhaps tom daschle over in the house, maybe president obama would have the legislation that he could really talk about right now instead of having five or six bills floating around over in congress. you know, you look at teddy kennedy's history i think his relationship with orrin hatch says as much as anything. hatch came to the senate with the idea of stopping teddy kennedy, as he put it, directly stopping teddy kennedy because he represented so much of the eastern liberal establishment and its push for issues like health care. before you knew it, teddy kennedy was working with orrin hatch. that was just how effective he was at working together on things that they could agree on and actually got through cobra, for example, to help out of work people buy health insurance. and wic, women, infant and children programs. things like that is what ted kennedy has been so effective in d

you know, where would we be without hubert humphrey for civil rights in the '60s t seems like that'se. if he had had teddy kennedy and perhaps tom daschle over in the house maybe president obama would have the legislation that he could really talk about right now instead of having five or six bills throating around over in congress. you know, you look at teddy kennedy's history i think his relationship with orrin hatch says as much as anything. hatch came to the senate with the idea of directly stopping teddy kennedy because he represented the liberal establish and its push for issues like health care. then he was working with ted kennedy. that's how effective he was. he actually got through cobra, for example, to help out of work people buy health insurance and wic, women and infant programs. things like that is what ted kennedy has been so effective in doing, and i think if anybody could get some senators to support a public option, he could do it. right now there aren't enough votes for the public option in the senate. >> susan, i have a bias here and i'm allowed to have a bias. i

as hubert humphrey is pleased as punch, they are pleased that obama is losing power and that means theat of higher taxes are coming off the table.b >> and the earnings we have been watching first with the financials with better than expected numbers. >> i believe we are having an economic recovery. i believe that all year. we begin to have an economic recovery. it is not coming because of the $100 billion of stimulus eeked through the pipeline. it's not coming because of the promises of $787 billion of wasted spending. it's because ben bernanke slashed interest rates and stomped on the accelerator and has pumped liquidity into the economy as never before. >> let's get a take on the jobs report. we are joined by the president and ceo of the urban league and former mayor of new orleans. we have been talking to mayors as well about what they are trying to grow jobs or at least protect jobs. what did you make of the report this morning. >> we have better news than we had in easily a year. what was interesting is i think that all of the actions that have been taken, the recovery act and be

hubert humphrey, after whom this building is named, made this quote and it's on the wall that greetss you enter the building. what he said is that the moral test of the government is how they treat those who are in the dawn of life. >> all right. we'll continue to monitor this announcement. dr. nancy snyderman joins us right now. what point can we go beyond, wash your hands, purell. >> right now, it's cough into your sleeve and when the vaccine comes out, get vaccinated. you're not going to be at the top of the list. it will be care workers, the elderly and kids, sort of six months to 24 years of age because we know this flu, the h1n1 is striking 19 year olds. >> the thing with this one, it's easily transferrable, but not as fatal. >> phenomenally lphenomenally,p in the spring, sort of something to come in the fall. >> they're looking at the places we saw a lot of swine flu cases. wisconsin has had 1,000 more cases than any other state and they're looking at why that's a pr problem. these guidelines they've handed out today where they're going to separate out staff and students who s

you know, he, he might have helped to build this model because, of course, he was a protege of hubert humphreys, and i think he had studied the vice presidency as a hobby for a long time before he was in it and brought a lot of, a lot of thought to it. but i think of all these vice presidents, he was the hardest to really figure out what he was -- you knew he was doing something, but you -- [laughter] you didn't necessarily know what it was. >> [inaudible] >> al gore was a very passionate advocate for the, for the promises that he worked on in the campaign and actually even before clinton picked him as vice president, he had consulted gore on his environmental policy. so gore helped write the environmental policy speech that clinton gave back in the primaries. and luckily for them, clinton and gore had different, different interests that they were especially passionate about. so clinton hadn't spent that much time on environmental policy as a governor, and so he, he was happy to give vice president gore some running room on that, on that issue, and that was true on science and technology policy

the greate eses esest deliberat in the world, home to hubert humphrey, dirksen, has become little more than a partisan snake pit where not a whole lot worthwhile gets done anymore. here's the question. you can go to cnn.com/caffertyfile, post a comment on my blog. wolf. >> a great question. no simple answer as you point out. >> maybe nobody. >> you might be right. all right, jack. thank you. >>> an arraignment in california in a bizarre child kidnapping case. the victim, now grown, endured an 18-year nightmare, isolated from the world in her alleged captor's back yard. we have new details coming in. >>> and the story gets even stranger. we're learning more about one of the suspect's online rants and theories. >>> plus, how far new jersey officials will go to try to prevent moammar gadhafi from pitching a tent and moving in. it doesn't cover everything. and what it doesn't cover can cost you some money. that's why you should consider... an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan... insured by united healthcare insurance company. it can help cover some zd what medicare doesn't... so you

hubert humphrey was trying to get the nation -- nomination. triple-8 candidate, amnesty, abortion, and to acid. but they said i had made it up. this came out well after the election. we went to the senator, have lunch with him, he said he was running for reelection and the mcgovern people would kill him before he threw out his name. many years later, i asked if he would let his name be used, i wrote him, and he said, no, it was off the record. this was even though he was off the record. so we referred to him in the galley proofs as senator x, mr. x. he died between the time that the galleys came out and the book came out. it was thomas eagleton. he was the short-time running mate of george mcgovern. when he said those things, we never dreamed that he would be the choice for vice president until he was kicked off the ticket because he had not been told about some disorder, some nervous disorder he had that had been treated, they kept that secret. remember that story? so it is a shocking story, an ironic that the man who uses triple-a was tom ea

hubert humphrey back in 1968, he couldn't even go to a rally before his salt lake city speech, dump thewere shouting him down. lbj had to go to military bases as did richard nixon in those years. this is nothing new. spector handled it very well. >> i felt bad for him. >> and i know we have to do news. i have to say, this is important for americans to realize. there are a lot of people who did get involved for the first time with barack obama. they have seen the press, adore this man over the past two years and this has to be very shocking to them. but for politician that is have been around for 20 years, we've seen this time and time again, i had senior citizens screaming at me in 1995, know, how dare you take away my medicare. and you sit there, you listen to the yells, you let them yell themselves out and say, okay, you really want to hear what's happening here? democrats are going to have to do the same thing and they're sitting here panicking like this has never happened. buchanan -- and here's another thing, too. buchanan has not given a speech on a college campus in the past 30 o

i know, like hubert humphrey and jonas salk and willie mays, you are part of the times that you live in, the 1940's, the 1950's, the 1960. he warmed up to me. i said, now i'm going to start selling. you know, frank -- i did not even know him -- people of my generation remember who they were and where they were by what frank and -- by what the net -- frank sinatra song was popular at the time. he said, will you pay me? i said, you don't have enough money to buy a documentary about yourself. cbs money isn't enough. what we call it a wash? he said, how do i know that i can trust you? i said, i am going ask you sit in a seat all -- opposite walter cronkite. this is my shining moment. how i thought of it, i did not know. that is the same seat that eisenhower, jack kennedy, and lyndon johnson sat and. if you don't think you're big enough to sit in that seat, i would not do it, if i were you. he grinned. he said, i am recording tomorrow night. if you want to start then? i said, i'll be there. i call the cameraman. what in hell is united? he said, it's a big recording studio. i said, like it

hubert humphrey would never agree with. what was the problem. >> if that went to the supreme court, you and i both know, it would be a 5-4 decision. maybe a 6-3 decision. that's my point. if you have somebody that's going to be on the wrong side of one decision, two decisions, just because you and i disagree with that decision, don't you, as a man that's worked for two presidents, don't you believe the president, once elected should be shown deference by the sena senate? >> i do believe they should be shown deference. the fact he's a liberal political figure doesn't bother me. what bothers me, however, is judicial philosophy which says the supreme court makes laws for the american people. we live, in my judgment, joe, we've lived the last 50 years very much under something approaching a judicial dictatorship, a rule of judges which replaced the rule of kings. judges should not be the deciders. elected executives they make the law. judges simply say we think that violates the constitution or we don't think that violates the

and the guidance we are releasing a 12 points out that when you came into this building today hubert humphrey after whom this building is named made this quote what he said is the moral test of a government is how they treat those that and the dawn of life, the children and the shadows of life, the sick that is the driving mission as we keep the american people safe and secure we will do everything possible under the president's direction to keep our children and americans' healthy and safe this fall but we appreciate you being here now will turn it over to secretary napolitano. >> thank you secretary it is good to be with everybody this morning to talk about our ongoing response to the age one and one flu pandemic. and to talk about specifically guidance for schools this pandemic is a test of how we will respond to any sort of issue that crosses lines, local, state, tribal, a territorial efforts nonprofits, for-profit comment in the non-government sector, a government world, and the like. the cooperation, collaboration that the president has been leading to open this summer as we get ready f

joint efforts on food preparation and the guidance we are releasing today, i want to point out hubert humphrey, after whom this building is named, made this quote and it is on the wall that greets you as you enter the building. he said that the moral test of the government is how they treat those who are in the dawn of life, our children, and the shadows of life, the sec. that is the driving mission -- the sec. -- the sick. we will do everything possible under the present's direction to keep our children and americans say this fall. we appreciate you being here. i would like to turn it over to secretary napolitano. >> thank you. thank you, secretary. it is good to be with everybody this morning to talk about our ongoing response to the h1n1 flu pandemic and to talk specifically about guidance for schools. this pandemic is a test of how we will respond to any sort of issue that crosses lines, local, state, trouble, territorial efforts, nonprofit, for-profit, non-government sectors, the government world and the like. but cooperation and collaboration that the president has been leading over the

hubert humphrey, after him this building is named, make this quote that is on the wall as it treats yous you enter the building. he said the moral test of a government is how they treat those who are in the dawn of li fe and the shadow of life. that is a mission as we prepare for keeping the american people say and secure. we will do everything possible under the president's direction to keep our children and the americans' healthy and safe. we appreciate you being here. now i would like to turn it over to secretary napolitano. >> thank you secretary. it is good to be with everyone to talk about our response to the h1n1 pandemic. and to talk specifically today about guidance for schools. this pandemic is a test of how we will respond to any sort of issue that crosses lines, local, state, territorial efforts, non- profit, for-profits in the non- government sector cannot the government world and the like. the cooperation, collaboration that the president has been meeting over the summer as we get ready for the school year has been quite extraordinary. one of the things we recognize after