professor zelizer, we mentioned hubert humphrey a few minutes ago, but and he eventually became vice president after the 64 election. but lbj did not have a vice president during this first year in office. teddy. it wasn't. and he runs the show on his own. i think he wasn't necessarily unhappy about that. he certainly didn't like being vice president when he was vice president. he felt he had been relegated to nothing. and obviously the circumstances under which he takes over lead him to focus on immediate issues of the day. so until he announces in august of 1964 in atlantic city that the democratic convention, that hubert humphrey, in fact, will be his vice presidential running mate, and then he becomes the vice president in 65. he's acting in some ways on his own, but he also relies on that inner circle of advisers that i mentioned, including people like walter jenkins and bill moyers, who guide him both on strategy, on politics and on speeches so he doesn't, though, have a vice president during this period. what about the role of lady bird johnson? she's really interesting. i mea

professor zelizer, we mentioned hubert humphrey a few minutes ago, but and he eventually became vice president after the 64 election. but lbj did not have a vice president during this first year in office. teddy. it wasn't. and he runs the show on his own. i think he wasn't necessarily unhappy about that. he certainly didn't like being vice president when he was vice president. he felt he had been relegated to nothing. and obviously the circumstances under which he takes over lead him to focus on immediate issues of the day. so until he announces in august of 1964 in atlantic city that the democratic convention, that hubert humphrey, in fact, will be his vice presidential running mate, and then he becomes the vice president in 65. he's acting in some ways on his own, but he also relies on that inner circle of advisers that i mentioned, including people like walter jenkins and bill moyers, who guide him both on strategy, on politics and on speeches so he doesn't, though, have a vice president during this period. what about the role of lady bird johnson? she's really interesting. i mea

frankly, it's as relevant to me if someone asking if lyndon johnson had done a bombing freeze with hubert humphrey born in 1968 are both equally irrelevant. >>no, they're not. because if you model a candidate like joe biden. >> that's a different question. he could have won and what we're saying is a white working man that came from that state, working class vibes and we get someone like that on on the democratic ticket, could he have won? >> to be clear, i don't think someone necessarily has to have my same skin color in order to do well in those areas. >> what if he's from pennsylvania? >> case in point, barack obama in 2012 did so much better since then in those areas i talked about, erie county, northampton county, no, people are interesting. think about this, 11% of pennsylvania voters voted for barack obama twice and then voted for donald trump at least once. trying to understand that is part of what makes politics interesting, fun, and also sometimes maddening trying to figure out what's going on there. we always try to look on paper just like sports. we try to look at who is going to win o