trained like soldiers i don't think it's far-fetched to believe they'll act like soldiers. >> hubert williams, let me turn that to you. earlier in the programme we mentioned the pentagon in transferring the tools to the local police departments require that they use them or give them back. does that create the temptation that you are going to use things like swat tools more often than they are called for? >> it could. the issue for me is how often is the pentagon saying that they have to use them. if they have to use them when they are not necessary, when it's not required to have the level of force, power. then they should not accept them. the fact that we have to go back over 20 years to look at an incident that occurred where it might have been justified for the police to have powerful weapons, talks about how frequently they are used. secondly, let me say this right. if you go as far back as the presidential commission on law enforcement. we have had in this nation one presidential commission on law enforcement that did an exhaustive study on the police. and the use of force by the police