clearly hud was not a priority of the trump administration. much damage did they do and how much do you have to really try to repair hud in order to do the things you've laid out and the kind of support you're going to get with this president seems to have made hud and housing more of a priority than his predecessor? >> the first thing, reverend, that we found is a group of small but mighty employees, consummate professionals, but they're understaffed and overworked. just over the last four years hud has lost 20% of all of its employees, 20%. so what we found is people in need of assistance and through covid it's made it even more difficult as people work remotely, but they truly, truly are overworked as well as -- this is going to really shock you, i think, rev. in his budget for the next year, he requested a reduction of 15% across the board reduction and a 40% reduction just in housing. we know how many people are -- >> wow. >> that's right. people are on the edge of losing their homes and losing their apartments and he asked for a reductio

even within hud regulatory power, we can't go too far. okay >> long term outcome? >> long-term i want to go back to where secretary casper started, meeting to connect the dots. across agencies, break down the barriers and i think there's a lot of work that has hud can do but everything we talked about is the intersection of housing and education, and economic development, and criminal justice. all of these areas in which the federal government plays such an important role. and one thing the federal government has not done a great job, is working across silos and agencies. i have one big hope, is that we can have a broader regional equity, the agenda that all agencies can get behind. more collaboratively. and it will end up being to the benefit of everyone in this country's. and if they can succeed in doing that. >> okay gustavo, one hope for the next period? >> i would say one hope, i just want to say one quick thing about source of income, it is risky business to open up in fair housing act amendments. i think the conditions have to be perfect for that to happen.

let's use hud to provide models, not mandates for local communities rezoning that will accommodate aider range of missing middle income groups without subsidies. these approaches will effectively provide vehicles and opportunities for all races, especially minorities who have been harmed by the ill-conceived government assistant policies. it is an honor to testify in front of you. i look forward to your questions. >> thank you. mr. peter, welcome. >> thank you for the opportunity to testify. any of the problems we face have occurred not because of federal policy but because of them. major computer -- contributors to the equal housing --we find ourselves in today. residential zoning policies by the federal government might be traced back to 1920. affordable housing policies back in 1954. each policy has continued to contribute to disparate outcomes and put minorities in harm's way and severely limit the opportunities to build generational wealth. zoning policies by the federal government and adopted around the country have constrained the private sector's ability for private housing,

the sick, fed them, made their events, washed their clothes and gave all the necessary -- for them, hud dainty and squeeze the stomachs could not injure to hear their names. >> but after that terrible first winter, life improved for the pilgrims. bradford's history continues the story. >> the spring now approaching, it pleased got that the sick recovered. about the 16th of march a certain indian came boldly amongst them. he spoke to them in english. his name was somerset. >> somerset, a local chief, had learned english from english fishermen along the coast of maine. he told the pilgrims about another indian who also spoke english and would even sale to england and back. he promised to come again and bring squanto with him. when somerset and squanto came they told the pilgrims that a great chief was nearby and wanted to meet with them. the pilgrims decided to welcome him to. they brought chief of the indians to meet their governor. the two leaders ate and drank together. during this friendly meeting they discussed a peace treaty by which neither the pilgrims nor the indians should do ha

we are so proud and honored to welcome you to t-hud. we are excited about the work we're doing, and i want to thank you for explaining how critical these investments are in the american people. i think you're absolutely right, i've heard you say it before, this is the opportunity of a lifetime. and let's make it by helping the american people not only get out of this pandemic and the economic fallout from it, but make those investments for the future. and i want to follow up on my colleagues' questions. congressman womack was talking about rail and what it means to places outside of where amtrak may be. and i wonder if you could talk about an investment in rail, and you know, is this part of your strategy to help reduce gas house emissions? can we do it with just cars alone? or is rail a critical piece? >> thank you for that. think there's no question rail has to be part of our strategy. one of the things that we're really excited about in the discretionary budget before you is the establishment of the prime program, passenger rail impr

if hud a proves the proposal it would be the first site in the nation that we're aware of to be torn down. meanwhile, there are additional sites in san francisco that have already been or will sooning undergoing significant rehabilitation, none of which are candidates for demolition. the demolition in this case, will be the second time f. it occurred, the second time in just 20 years that hud would have given approval to nbs, this developer to tear down and rebuild plaza east. with hundreds of units of market rate housing as part of the proposal. so i have serious concerns with the same property manager that rebuilt plaza east in 2021. now deciding to tear it down just 20 years later. particularly after hearing from residents about the property and learning from mbs themselves regarding the large backlog of deferred maintenance that has been largely ignored. so what is going to be different for residents this time around? the answer to that question remains completely unclear, we hope we'll get more clarity with the hearing. when it comes to the future of plaza east, specifically whe

just recently last week hud released some of that money. thing that needs to be done, how do we in the government push that money down to get into the municipality? it is kept all at the central level of the puerto rican government and it, too, can be used for political purposes. now to make sure those moneys are to go directly to municipalities to make things go faster and quicker and certainly, i have to repeat with a lot of pain in my heart, donald trump and the republicans that aided him and supported him in keeping that aid and fulfilling a promise to the people of puerto rico that aid was on the way have blood on their hands. and that will never be forgotten. >> former san juan puerto rico mayor carmen yulin cruz, thank you very much, joining us from massachusetts. i know a puerto rican flag is behind you and your thoughts of puerto rico still very much in your heart and thoughts. really appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. >>> up next -- cnn's bill weir takes us inside the plight of arizona farmers for our first h

we'll be speaking with ben carson on the implications of this, what the former hud secretary thinks about potential overreach here. in the meantime, let's get the latest from kristin fisher on all of these measures to respond and take advantage of critics say a sore situation. >> yesterday's verdict is a step in the right direction. he also says there's still much more work to be done to address what he describes as the systemic racism embedded in u.s. institutions. >> it was a murder in full light of day. ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism the vice president just referred to. there's systemic racism that is a stain on our nation's soul. the knee on the neck of justice for black americans. >> so president biden is using this moment to try to pass the george floyd justice and policing act. all eyes are on capitol hill where the bill has passed the house but still stuck in the senate. the bill will end choke holds and no knock warrants. it appears a compromise could be close. republican senator tim scott that put forth his own police proposal, he said i t

some describing him as will rogers with hud spa. do you not just, and that venerable washington wise man once called buck walled, the greatest satirist an english language since pope and swift. the acclaim novelist james mitch nurse said buchwald had one of the sharpest which he had ever known. as many admirers included poet robert frost and supreme court justice william or douglas, who once, if you could possibly believe it cited a buck wild column in one of his u.s. supreme court opinions. much like mark twain, james the kykrv parker anl rogers art buchwald was truly an american legend. and to his credit, bought his barbs could get a chuckle out of politicians from all sides of the political spectrum. from william f buckley to arthur slush unger, to john f. kennedy, to dwight eisenhower, to ronald reagan. senator barry goldwater, the arch conservative senator from arizona, once told buchwald, you are one of those people who have the ability to make us think, make us laugh, make us cry, and love our fellow man. and for that, i than

let's welcome to the show former hud secretary ben carson who is also a former surgeon., we love having you on the show. first your reaction to the verdict in the george floyd case. >> i'm not particularly surprised. we had plenty of evidence and you would have to be blind not to recognize this was a murder. it probably wasn't intentionally a murder but we all saw it and it is pretty difficult to explain in any other way. so the important thing is, it shows that our justice system does work. people don't have to take these things into their own hands. also i hope people will come to recognize that chauvin is by no means representative of policing in this country or of the justice system. and those who tried to make it into the norm are really taking advantage of the situation in the midst of this. liz: you know, we hear you loud and clear. so much of this case permeated so much of our society from voting rights laws to monuments and statues being removed, to the fear that looting and riot something being normalized in this country as americans remain in shut down restric

tuesday morning transportation secretary pete buddha judge commerce secretary, hud secretary and epa administrator michael regan testify on president biden infrastructure planned before the senate appropriations committee. life coverage begins at 10:30 eastern on c-span three online@c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> a busy agenda here in washington. the chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner, good monday morning thank you for being with us. >> good morning. let's first talk about the senate today taking up hate crimes aged at asian-american and pacific islander's but with the final bill expected on the floor later this week. what would it do? >> it could change because i think there may be amendments. it would dedicate somebody at the justice department to oversee and ensure that hate crimes aimed at asian americans are followed closely in mitigated. it seems straightforward enough for there's been hate crimes against asian americans in the wake of the coronavirus. typical congresses caught up in politics for the republicans would like to am

one position i wanted when i was elected to congress, that's the chair of the housing committee, the hud oversight committee. i was invited to the white house, the last gentleman who called, kay granger was the mayor of ft. worth at the same time i was the mayor of kansas city, we both were there. and the former governor. we talked about issues of importance to us. but my issue of course was housing. we have an extremely low number of affordable housing units in the united states of america. and since the 2008 economic collapse, high end housing has actually come back, it's there. it is the low, moderate income housing that we have not been able to redevelop. and in the package that we are now considering, it's a $213 billion category to build, preserve, and retrofit about 2 million affordable housing units. also we're trying to rehabilitate more than 500,000 homes for low and middle income homebuyers. if you are living in certain parts of the city and your housing cost, the rehabilitation cost of the house is more than the house can be sold for in that community, you've got a problem. y

course, keep you updated when they reappear in court. 60 days from today we'll show you hoe things hud proceed in the -- ciella vsh thank you very much. aid drain gonzalez who pled guilty to killing maddy middleton in 2015. her body was found stuffed in a dumpster in her apartment complex. gonzalez was never tried because he was a juvenile at the time. gonzalez pleady guilty earlier this month. if tried as an adult he could have received two life accept tensz as prosecutors had hoped but since middle top's death state law has changed. it's possible gonzalez could be set free at the age of 25 though his sentence could possibly be extended indefinitely every two years. >>> an investigation sunday way after a car crash left two people dead and a south bay road closed for hours. the sheriff's office cop firms deputies were trying to stop a driver who failed to yield and hit another leak. >> i guess it is a pretty fast to get off the movie. >> reporter: at this point we captain confirm who the victims were or why deputies were trying to pull over the car. we know that the sam skwloes police

ben carson is not legislate that poisonous narrative go unchallenged writing: former hud secretary joinsnow. you say what is happening in schools across the country whether it's langley high school or a private catholic school in alcohol, itself is racist. explain. >> when we get to a point where we give things to people based on their race we are doing the opposite of what dr. king dreamed of -- a nation where people were judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. every day it seems like there is something else to inflame the racial situation. i am not saying there is not a racial problem, but i will say it has gotten so much better if my lifetime. the difference is night and day. we need to keep working on it. there was racism yesterday and today and tomorrow, but it doesn't have to be a central focus of everything we do. let's say you lived in a forest and you had 2 houses in the forest with children in them. one of the children you said there is evil goblins in the forest. if you go out there they will eat you up and you tell them that from the time the

. >> and i think the 80 hud, is that right. >> yes. >> so. [inaudible]. we also know that adrenaline will increase the heart rate, right. >> yes. >> and adrenaline can be put into the body in multiple ways, right. well, any things can cause a surge and adrenaline. >> yes. >> one of those things would be getting into a fight with someone. >> yes. >> for being afraid. >> and getting into a fight. >> and what was found and i understand that you call it the 10 percent tumor but in 10 percent of the tumor cases, that can cause an adrenaline surge. >> yes. [inaudible]. >> in terms of the use of fentanyl in the hospital setting, surgical setting, having become familiar with a what is called wooden chest center. >> yes. >> and can explain that pretty. >> in some patients you get an increase in the chest - >> so the lungs become less elastic you pretty so that would prevent a chest wall type rigidity, also decrease the performance of the lungs pretty. >> it would impede the ability of the lungs to expand. >> in your report, you wrote you would expect the peak resp

i would note that we also have to find the right balance between dot and hud programs. it's a challenge this subcommittee has. i urge you to join us in the hard work of compromise, working together within real spending limit as we move forward on appeal for the next fiscal year. i have some concerns about what appears to be the desirability by the administration to move as many programs as possible to the mandatory side of the ledger, mandatory spending is frankly what's leading us towards a very, very, very dangerous fiscal future. on top of it, the great advantage of discretionary budget items other discretionary budget process is that we have an opportunity annually to review programs in this committee. we can find out what's working and what is not, and just spending accordingly is something not obviously easily done on the mandatory side of the ledger. in this weekend at the discretion appropriations process is assigned to keep the taxpaying public, their needs, because it's their money foremost in mind that we should never forget that each and every dollar spent i

where the people that lift there currently can stay, and he got some money from sallie mae and from hudand he attempted to build out this learning corridor and what he called university heights. now, old type blue blood were aghast and always suspicious of this, and on the other side, event dobell was a big talker, showman, he liked the flash, he liked the buildings, and didn't always focus on detail. so when the money ran out, people were -- other people were left holding the bag what to do. there were actual constructions stopped in mid-air, or mid-development. i'll say that. and so those who were always reticent about this kind of work, they called this work social work. this is not what liberal art colleges do and professors were always amazed and aghast about what do you mean by liberal arts? and he -- they found out quickly that liberal arts means closure, elevated, education, separate from the world. refuge. >> right. like a monastic tradition expires the campus and latin field and refuge in the mid of urban -- away from urban environses. so when he ran -- when he talked the big

i realize the proposal includes multiagency responses from dot, hud, fema and other agencies. starting with secretary fudge and then going over to secretary bult judge, what are you going to do with the money and how are you going to coordinate across agencies? >> first, let me say thank you, but, of course, the public transportation and how to work together on many issues, this will be another one of the issues. resiliency is important. we have spent so many tens of billions of dollars addressing some of the occurrences over the past ten years. i know it's been more than $80 billion we've spent. we need to be prepared to present resilient communities so we are prepared going forward. and we're going to be working together. the good thing about this team is it is a team. and we are going to be working together to make sure that we get a product that we know is going to be acceptable to you and to the other members of the senate. >> secretary buttigieg? >> first, i welcome your call to think about housing and transportation side by side. that's already how we're working. a mayo

if hud a proves the proposal it would be the first site in the nation that we're aware of to be torn down. meanwhile, there are additional sites in san francisco that have already been or will sooning undergoing significant rehabilitation, none of which are candidates for demolition. the demolition in this case, will be the second time f. it occurred, the second time in just 20 years that hud would have given approval to nbs, this developer to tear down and rebuild plaza east. with hundreds of units of market rate housing as part of the proposal. so i have serious concerns with the same property manager that rebuilt plaza east in 2021. now deciding to tear it down just 20 years later. particularly after hearing from residents about the property and learning from mbs themselves regarding the large backlog of deferred maintenance that has been largely ignored. so what is going to be different for residents this time around? the answer to that question remains completely unclear, we hope we'll get more clarity with the hearing. when it comes to the future of plaza east, specifically whe

he did appoint five members of his cabinet, the secretaries of transportation, energy, hud, labor, commerce to sell this plan to not only lawmakers, republicans and democrats, but also to the american people. now, the reaction is coming in from all over. in fact, senator john kennedy says this is the big, bold socialist experiment, the biggest that he has seen, pointing to the $4 trillion that this administration is trying to spend in the first 1 is 00 days. -- 100 days. we know $2.25 trillion coming in this infrastructure program. so i did an interview, an exclusive interview with the san francisco fed president, mary daley, who said that the first part of this could boost economic output. listen. >> i understand congress is going to take up an infrastructure bill and really debate how we can invest in our country. we continue to build our exitoffness as a nation -- competitiveness as a nation and deliver a better future to future generationses. those are are both very positive things, and when i look out on the horizon, i see this as increasing our potential output. >> reporter: still, th

ben carson, former hud secretary. good to have you with us today.t is your reaction to rich's piece and the sound bites you just heard? >> rich lawry is right on target. it's very sad that the leader of the free world would be involved in disseminating information that is up true. i wonder if these people understand the history. do they know what jim crow laws actually were? they were a mechanism to diminish the rights that many blacks had gained during reconstruction and the enforce segregation. the things that people went through in hose days were horrendous. to compare that with senate bill 202, which actually expands rights. you know i find it rather funny that the ceo of delta and american airlines would be saying that -- requiring voter i.d. is racist. trying to get on a delta flight or american airlines flight without an official i.d. you're not going to get on there. you know, as far as absentee balloting is concerned, try going to one of their corporate meetings. one of the annual meetings and voting if you're not a stockholder or have offi

ben carson, founder and chairman of the american cornerstone institute and former hud secretary. doctor, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i got to ask you this, in your expert medical opinion, because those words should matter, is racism a serious public health threat? >> well, you know t would be funny if it wasn't so seer -- you know, it would be funny if it wasn't so serious pete. >> pete: sure. >> a few weeks ago you probably will remember the french said the greatest danger facing them is a woke america. that's where the real health crisis is going on i was looking at a news story not too long ago and they were interviewing college student from other parts of the world. one -- students from other parts of the world. one of the questions was like would you like that come to america? they all said there was a time where they wanted to but that time has past. what happened to the shiny city on the hill that was the goal for people all over the world? and we have to be very concerned about what is going on right now. you know, america, the idea, not america the place,

. >> sunday on q&a, conversation on the influence lady bird johnson hud on the lbj presidency compared to other first ladies, with the senior research fellow at the lbj school of public affairs at the university of texas austin. >> i see her as the bridge between elinor rose -- eleanor roosevelt and hillary clinton. she has the commitment to developing a policy agenda that reinforces and elevates her husband, that eleanor had. she had the public role, not quite as broad because she did not have a radio program or a column, but this is a woman that was out campaigning for her husband and working really hand in glove to elevate his presidency. er was in the white house much longer than lady bird was, but i see lady bird coming in and modernizing the office of the first lady, really the first person to do that since after world war ii, in my view. >> author of "lady bird johnson, hiding in plain sight," sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on q&a. you can also listen to the podcast where you get your podcasts. >> congress returns from their holiday recess this week. the senate returns monday at 3:

not going to defend the police in florida he signed in antiriot law and a final bit of news former hudecretary ben carson has an op-ed today saying this is turning upside down what martin luther king said the race wars today are judging people based on the color of their skin and mlk said you look at a person's character inside. >> these actions are a slur against america, america's founding on the idea that the citizen was going to decide policy and we fought together side-by-side to stand up for martin luther king's vision, that is a citizen that was going to be someone judged of the content of their character not by the color of their skin today's progressives are asking us to do exactly that, the opposite of that and it's harming usr, all. liz: you are terrific comeri bak soon. lirepublican senator moving to make permanent covid-19 restrictions on businesses. more on dr. fauci's blind spot, will tell you what y it is questions aboutdo his guidance d hbo fillmore says media and democrats are badly misinforming the public with panic, they say they're getting their facts wrong. we got

let's go to scott hud, the tax foundation.ad an interesting study that looked at combined rates that corporations are paying on a federal level but pay in many states. many states don't have that. there's regional taxes in some countries that don't go on top of it but even allowing for that would put the u.s. in the unenviable position of having to highest combined corporate rates on the planet. scott, that is not a good commission prescription for us. spell it out. >> not at all, neil. in fact, economists in paris determined the corporate income tax is the most harmful tax for economic growth. so to raise taxes won't have any economic taxes is plain false. especially as we see other countries like france lowinger to 25%, they don't have a state level rate, sweden is cutting to 20%. other countries are trying to attract jobs, wages and investment to their countries through lower corporate taxes. meanwhile, we're talking about going the other direction. as you said, if you combine the federal rate of 28%, which he's proposing,

daredevils driving a hud day santa fe just like in the fast and furious franchise.in the crested drivers drivers when shelter sows cracked as his bloodstream and now the incredible jump there we go. the drawbridge emotion the dryvit races. you had which for a hungry's or import for miles per hour but this point the gases on about 40 or 50 michael stringham's wide but still a dangerous stunt by the speed demon clears it no problem. police did they believe they've identified the driver from the license plate will likely face charges. but of course you'll jump that bridge when he comes to. i miss michael's gap for the record. topic number two. the main legislators considering a proposal to legalize a biking style funerals. although you might be in for a culture stock when you go for a bagger, the new bill would allow use of piracy on which a body is burned in the open air, fun. so even have a death to be a total smoke shall. about three quarters of the people in maine offer cremation over burial it is less expensive for it also the only time in their lives they can bui

neil: you stayed throughout the entire term of donald trump in your hud position.u avoided that. you seemed to listen a lot more than talk which makes you unique certainly in washington circles. but i'm wondering in this environment where donald trump has attacked some fellow republicans, including mitch mcconnell, liz cheney, those who voted for his impeachment, etc., does that bother you on any level? is that productive, in your eyes? >> no, i don't thinkst it's useful. think it's useful. i would encourage people to look at the big picture. you know, we're not really talking right now so much about republicans and democrats. we're talking about people who understand what america is. it's not so much a place, it's an ideal. and we're talking about another group of people who don't like that idea and who think that it should be fundamentally changed to something else. and and that's what people need to focus on. not on their little pet peeves, because those things are irrelevant compared to what we're talking about now. this is a major inflection point in terms of

we'll be speaking with ben carson on the implications of this, what the former hud secretary thinks about

of president biden cabinet from secretary yellen will be addressing, secretary of labor, education, hudsponding to our speakers virtually. we have everyone from businessman robert smith to those scholars like professor ibrahim kendi and professor west. entertainers that will talk about what the rage and legacy expressed by the late dmx who we mourned this weekend and give condolences to his family, all of it four days to bring about action, not to talk about things from a just -- actions to deal with gun reform. action to deal with police reform. we are gathering to have an action agenda, and you can go to www.national action network.net and watch it and put your comments and questions into the chat room and let us come with an action agenda and make this a better nation for all of us. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for another live hour of politics nation. my colleague, alicia menendez picks up our news coverage now. >> thank you so much, reverend sharpton. hello everyone. i'm alicia menendez. if it's 2021, we are talking

final bit of news, former hud secretary ben carson, sir, has an op-ed saying this is turning upside downhat martin luther king said. the race wars today are judging people based on the color of their skin. mlk you look at a person's character inside. your final word, sir? >> these actions are a slur against america, america's founding on the idea that the citizen was going to decide policy and we fought together side by side to stand up for martin luther king's vision. that the citizen was going to be someone judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin. today's progressives are asking us to do exactly that, the opposite of that, and it is harming us all. elizabeth: horace cooper, you were terrific. come back soon, great to see you. >> thank you. elizabeth: coming up, republican senator roger marshall, states moving to make permanent covid-19 restrictions on businesses. we've got that. more on dr. fauci's blind spot. we'll tell you what it is. doubts and questions grow about his guidance. hbo's bill maher said media and democrats are badly misinforming the pub

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. >>> joining us now to continue this conversation, former hud secretary and former 2020 democratic presidential candidate, julian castro. secretary castro, i want to begin with reports of far-right house members forming a new caucus to protect, quote, anglo-saxon political traditions. and the reason i want to start with that is that i think that there is a truth baked in there, right? which is that there is a fundamental disagreement about who's an american, who deserves the protections of being an american, who is seen as deserving the privileges of being an american, and who is seen as a threat. if you cannot grapple with those fundamental questions, then can you really pivot to the types of reforms that we were just talking about? >> well, of course they can't. the republican party continues its march toward becoming fully the white power party. this is the vision of donald trump, the vision of stephen miller, and this what used to be a radical fringe group on the right that takes up more of the main street of the republican party today. i think that's one of the reasons, as you know, alicia

castro was the hud secretary during his eight years in office.e latino community. >> gillian: he was also to push back for a second. he was also at one point nicknamed the deporter in chief based on his record numbers of undocumented migrants he deported from united states custody. >> immigration is a tough issue. name me a president who has a perfect immigration record and i will name you a president that has flaws in his record and has flaws in his policy. i don't think that -- it is fair game to critique his immigration policies but it is also fair game to look at his entirety of his presidency, the things that he did to help the latino community in this country and so i don't think if we want to go around immigration and nitpick and undocumented citizens that that's something to deter a name -- his name from going onto the schools. >> gillian: matt, what say you? >> look, you can disagree, but he instituted daca. without that, it was a huge thing for the latino community during the 2012 campaign when i worked for mitt romney. again, look, if

to the five cabinet secretaries representing, of course, transportation, energy, commerce, labor and hudd he has essentially asked them to report back before the next cabinet meeting on their progress in terms of seeing not just how they sell this on capitol hill but also to the american public. that was a signal to me, again, they're going to do what they did with the covid relief bill. they will tout how popular infrastructure is in polling among voters to say something this is something constituents desperately need. this was notable, chuck. we lived through this the last four years of the trump administration. cabinets meetings were a completely different beast. he normally, the former president would bring in cameras, sometimes allowing them to stay 60 to 80 minutes. you have a feature length film of the cabinet meeting and it was often very fawning, heaping praise on him. this was more of a movie trail trailer version of that. a couple short minutes. the president made very brief remarks. he thanked the press for being there but said i'm not taking any questions now, essentially en

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. >> so now the secretaries of transportation, energy, hud, labor and commerce combine to form. >> the jobs cabinet. >> and the sale starts today. >> any time your car hits a hole in the road, you are paying for that. >> that only represents a fraction of the white house's proposal. >> only 5% of the spending in this package goes towards roads and bridges and i'm curious, why that number is so low. >> we're actually selling it as a once in a century or once in a generation investment in partly our infrastructure but partly industries of the future, american workers and the workforce and there are areas like broadband, which maybe is not a physical bridge but 1/3 of the country doesn't have access to broadband. >> republicans are leary of biden running up a big bill. >> somebody has suggested that he can be the next fdr. this is massive expansion paid for at least in part by huge tax increases. >> only on corporations and people making over $400,000 a year. the white house promises. >> the people who benefited from the economic infrastructure should help pay for what we need to continue

these included pete buttigieg, energy secretary jennifer granholm, marsha fudge from hud, marty walshon the front lines to sell this bill. on the republican side you're seeing a lot of opposition despite members wanting things for their own districts. some of the opposition and framing seems to be symbolized by mitch mcconnell in a statement he made yesterday. >> he's a first rate person. nevertheless, this is a bold left-wing administration. i don't think they have a mandate to do what they're doing. >> what's fascinating there is you see mcconnell calling president biden a first rate person but saying his administration is far left and he's going to block it. how do you see the politics of this playing out? >> the politics of this are really interesting because the idea of infrastructure is really popular, you know, in a bipartisan fashion. and i think, keep an eye on that word infrastructure because what you heard mcconnell say, the idea that republicans are going to fight this every step of the way, i think you're going to see both parties start to avoid the word infrastructure. r

it's pete buttigieg at transportation, hud, labor and commerce. curious, is their job to sell it publically or to be the sales people on capitol hill? if it's on capitol hill, there's really only one person there with any capitol hill experience. >> these five cabinet secretaries were told, here is your homework assignment. it's both. you will try to sell it to the public and to constituents and to voters, which is something the president thinks republican voters are actually going to be the ones who are going to stress to their own lawmakers and representation that infrastructure is something they would like to see happen. also, he has told them, you are going to be responsible for having meetings with lawmakers of both parties. we know that pete buttigieg has been doing that. he has been having conversations behind the scenes and that he will continue to engage them. he has given them a tall order. he said, we want you to go out and have conversations on both fronts. then record back to me and then you will see the president doing this in a more

we have the newly minted hud secretary, marcia fudge, who left congress to take up the seat with thet. >> i watched every second of donald williams' testimony and it was riveting. i look forward to it. i will see you later on. "the cross connection" starts in a little bit at 10:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc. >>> up next, republican senator ron johnson asks the question, what's the point in pushing for americans to get vaccinated? my question is, are we living in the same universe. >>> speaking of out of this world, capture confirmed. about 24 hours after its lift-off from the kennedy space center in florida, the spacex dragon craft successfully arrived at the international space station this morning at 5:08 a.m. eastern time. look at this. you are looking at the dragon slowly approaching the space station and delicately aligning itself with the proper docking ports. the four astronauts on the dragon space craft were welcomed by the seven others who were already aboard the international space station. we didn't stop at computers. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. work

there is still $5 billion in housing vouchers that haven't been released by hud, the agency has about laura. >>> it feels like we do these stopgap measures with things like the eviction notices but they only go for a certain amount of time even though they know they will get extended. >> we only pass a certain amount of money up front and go back and do another round of covid relief. this time i think we're looking at vaccinations and an economy that will start to recover later this fall and they're hoping they can stretch that money until the economy starts to roar back. >> all right. >>> now to the latest front in the war on voting. florida the state senate approving new rules monday on a near party line vote, changes include this, look at this, limited hours for drop boxes, limits on who can turn in a voter's ballots, new id requirements for mail-in ballots and you can't give out food or drinks within 150 feet of polling places. a version of the bill with even tighter restrictions is still under consideration in florida's lower chamber. >>> intrigue in morning between the u.s., ira

the hud program is a big part of our ability to address that. so funding for both us and hud allows us to make sure the vouchers are substantial enough to allow us to address the high-priced markets. lastly, it has allowed us to get care, including mental health care, substance abuse treatment, to both at risk and homeless ve ts, including ensuring homeless vets are in touch with care providers during the pandemic. those are a couple examples. the situation must have gotten worse during the course of the pandemic, but because of the way -- this is another data thing -- like, i love the annual headcount and i am glad to participate in it, as i have many times over the years, but we have to get better and more actionable information about the nature of the homelessness challenge for our vets. we are trying to scope that more aggressively. rep. gallego: is there an amount -- we allocated some flicks ability -- flexibility, 14.5 million dollars more for the department. will you consider that when dealing with homelessness? sec. mcdonough: the number

hurricane irma in a lake in my district so we encourage you to continue working with your partners in hud on storm water resiliency method as well as utilities we're only going to get stronger hurricanes both in the outer --es banks of north carolina and south carolina as well as in florida so we look forward to continuing to work with you and thank you so much for your leadership. >> the gentlemen yields back, and nowp we'll move to two of or colleagues who have in the sub committee will again with dr. burgess gentlemen from state of texas you're recognizeds for five minutes please, sir. representative burgess from the state of texas. if you're with us, i know you wanted to wave on -- to the recognized for five minutes please. >> thank you -- thank you mr. chairman for the recognition administrator reagan welcome to our sub committee thank you for testifying today. you spoke just a moment ago to representative from delaware about having to restore some staffing capacity to the agency. did iha hear you correctly? >> yes. >> so -- at the present time can you give us a round number figure a

. >> then the secretary of hud marcia fudge, spoke at a press conference and this happened >> good afternoon> together: good afternoon. >> oh, thank you i was wondering if i was in this room by myself >> and i was like what where are we we in third grade? are we at children's church on a sunday ooh, y'all about to get it also, i don't know who it is, but when everyone else replies good afternoon, you can hear a black woman saying it the loudest, and that's hilarious. you better say good afternoon loudly because you may run the risk of not getting a piece of candy at the end of sunday school then i saw that viral video of a police dog biting a police officer who was beating up a protester. take a look. >> [ bleep ] [ shouting ] [ bleep >> i was like what joe biden's dog got a new job? more like joe biting >> seth: yeah, i like it now >> okay. good then one of the most confusing things in recent history happened president biden had this to say about gop voter suppression bills. >> what i'm worried about is how un-american this whole initiative is. it's sick. it's sick. this makes jim crow look