hufbauer, do you want to start? mr. hufbauer: you are right. a lot of people want to get rid of these departments. in fact the designated secretary , of the energy department was famous, governor perry, for saying that was one of three departments he wanted to get rid of when running for president. mr. baker: he forgot that one. mr. hufbauer: he forgot that one. it was very much in his mind and now he will be secretary and epa , well you know, that is not one , of the favorite departments. education, one comment on education. mean the federal government is , not the big player in education system in this country . it is really the states and the localities. i know they want things to be done in education. maybe trump will change the education system dramatically, but historically, it's a state and local matter. well, i think there is a lot of resistance, including in the republican party, including the republican party. think, you know, cutting back, reducing the scope of these departments, which you have mentioned, agencies and departments, an