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now in a four pack. >> >> hugh bower hugh burrows, with ron swisher. church things let's talk about congregations and the time we live in and how you think they are doing and then we want to get to the role of the preacher and some conferences you have been there. do you get some sense from congregations over the past few years that have rules changed any? do people want something different from a church? >> that is a good question. i think as you know churches from all denominations, particularly mainline churches, are struggling, losing membership, dying, we i don't know how many churches we closed this past june, just close churches when you have only a handful of people in worship and this huge facility it is not viable or effective. that is across the board. i just took a course in preaching from the great james forbes, retired minister at river side church and we had denominations every person in there was a different denomination, presbyterians, episcopalians, catholics, lutherans, methodist, baptist, meant coastals. a great -- pentecost talls.

hugh huff er in is hot.based reality tv shows. multiplying like rabbits on cable tv. his trademark playboy clubs whose cotton tailed bunnies first popped into pop culture 50 years ago and once served the hippest crowd in town are bouncing back after decades of decline with a new club in las vegas, others planned for miami, london, mexico, and other places. >> yes, the bunny is back. and you know how bunnies are. they do proliferate. >> reporter: you are like hip and happening again. >> hot again. pretty good at 84. i'm glad i hung around to see it. >> reporter: and what a sight. a worldwide empire that exploded from hefner's fert i'll imagination, deepest desires and $1,000 from his mother. playboy magazine hit the stands in 1953 with marilyn monroe wearing nothing but a come hither look. eisenhower's america was shocked and titillated and changed forever. >> we were there to ignite the flame that became a sexual revolution. i think i take some pride in that. >> reporter: people must have thought you were le

cher hughes, bo isler. the entire brown family. in back of the house holbert allegedly bought from the browns. do you sense any remorse? >> i don't know. i tonight think so. i think he's -- he seems to be very calm. >> reporter: pan man yan police chief interviewed wild bill in jail. how did he kill them? >> he used a .38 caliber. he was saying very proudly that he shot them in the back of the neck, all the victims. >> reporter: he shot every one nf the back of the neck? >> exactly. >> reporter: shot, he says, when they weren't expecting it. police continue searching for other victims, including missing pan man yans that worked at the properties wild bill took over. >> reporter: he picked the wrong girl. >> he had no idea how many people loved her and would care. he just got greedy and picked somebody that was special. >> reporter: the police really want to get the message out that this is a safe place, that people can still come. do you feel that? >> no. no. the police do not know what's going on. they really don't. as we talk amo

hugh's gut feeling.umber of births at seton is holding steady. >> i am seeing a plateau across the last several years. >> the doctors here also work at a low income clinic, and the numbers show there was a 10% drop in births there last year. but this year they say the numbers look strong. >> it seems to me that people are having more kids. haven't you noticed that a lot of people kind of have three kids now? it is almost as if three is the new two. >> the mother of five-month-old jenna falls in that camp. >> this is number four for me. i don't think it has impacted me at all. i like having family and having babies. >> yet, the birthrate across the country has fallen to the lowest in a century. and it could take a few years to turn this around. they can relate. they are living on one income. three-year-old nikki will be an only child for now. >> we are postponing adding to our family because of that. the prices right now are so high jie. they are not surprised by the new numbers, but are sad it has to be

this time it was cheryl hughes. five missing people with one common denominator.was at my house for dinner. his wife, they came over, they were my neighbors for two and a half years. wild bill and his wife. >> reporter: cher hughes and her husband keith worley lived together on their piece of paradise. keith and cher's marriage eventually went south and they separated. even afterwards they remained in regular contact, texting several times a day until late march. >> the last three or four texts i got were just a little strange. they weren't quite what cher would say. she indicated in the text that she had met someone and she was leaving. >> reporter: keith says he now knows those messages that didn't sound like cher, weren't. it was wild bill, he says, impersonating cher. keith, sandy and others tried to alert local authorities. police finally mounted an investigation into wild bill after an ex-pat blogger broke and pursued the story. and cher's concerned relatives, including keith, flew to the mainland to meet with police. by then, wild bill and jane -- really wi

sandra hughes reports this morning. >> reporter: shirley chance didn't expect to be alive today. 11 months ago doctors told her she had final stage skin cancer, the melanoma that started on her arm had spread. scans revealed tumors in her lungs and brains. >> when i said, what are we talking about? he said, six months to a year. >> reporter: she underwent radiation treatment but her prognosis remained grim until she found out before an ecti experimental drug with impressive results. >> it's the most optimistic time i've seen for patients with advanced melanoma. >> reporter: melanoma is thought to be caused by overexposure from the sun. every year almost 9,000 americans die from the disease. this new treatment is offering hope. about half of all melanoma patients carry a gene that promotes cancer growth. the experimental pills disrupt the gene causing tumors to shrink. a new study found the drug was effective in 80% of patients who have the gene. it worked for an average of seven months, giving those patients more time. >> compared to chemotherapy, it works much better in melanoma and has l

sandra hughes, cbs news, los angeles. >>> on the "cbs moneywatch," a mixed day for stocks in asia.shley morrison is here in new york with more on that. good morning to you. >> good morning to you. a mixed day in asia. japan's nikkei gained 1% while hong kong's hang seng was mostly lower. on wall street, thursday stocks slid despite jobless claims for falling for the first time in three positive. the nasdaq was down almost 23 points. >>> this morning the government is expected to cut its estimate of how much the economy is growing. economists predict the latest gdp numbers will be revised from around 2.5% growth to between 1% and 1.5%, raising fears we are slipping back into a recession. also this morning, ben bernanke speaks in wyoming. the fed chair is expected to discuss where he believes the u.s. economy is headed after keeping interest rates at record lows, many want to know what else the central bank can do to stabilize the recovery. >>> there's another big recall for toyota. this one involves more than 1 million vehicles, all of them 2005 through 2008 corolla and matrix hatch

a friendly against the bremen while their domestic season kicks off week later at bolton which is hughes is pirated the next campaign. also year last year is running in europe was magnificent. it's a standout season in the history of form of she would be difficult to replicate in terms of domestic competition but that's something not willing to do obviously i think last year given the focus on europe obviously good premier league form wasn't . as good as it could be a muslim to stumble so without the destruction of europe it was a very nice destruction we can construct fully on the premier league and make sure that we have been twelve this year. well let's get away from football because the men's basketball world championships get under way at the end of the month into thinking russia's coach david brat has unveiled his political ring squad for the event although he still looking for a front man that has the story. down fast on red square in russia's camp is one of excitement at least young and ambitious team is ready to surprise the wall beyond. again they'll travel to torque is beyond

also preparing for that is full of his new manager mark hughes the former manchester city boss has been brought in to replace roy hodgson he moved to live a poll forty six year old first game in charge will be at home on august the seventh in a friendly against the bremen while their domestic season kicks off week later at bolton which is hughes is pirated where the next campaign. also year last year is running in europe was magnificent it's a standout season in the history of full of she would be difficult to replicate in terms of domestic competition but that's something not willing to do obviously i think last year given the focus on europe obviously good premier league form wasn't . as good as it could be a muslim to stumble so without the destruction of europe it was a very nice destruction we can construct fully on the premier league and make sure that we're higher than twelve that should. get away from football because the men's basketball world championships get under way at the end of the month into thinking russia's coach david brat has unveiled his political rescored for the

sandra hughes has the story. >> reporter: like a typical teenager, 17-year-old christopher prefers hisusic mobile. he plugs earbuds into his cell phone for music on the go. >> i try not to listen to it too loud, but sometimes i do. >> reporter: like a typical teen, he's not thinking of the long-term effects, but a new study finds 1 in 5 adolescents has hearing loss, a 30% increase over those tested between 1988 and 1994. while the latest study didn't look specifically at noise and hearing loss, research shows loud music could put listeners at risk. the hearing loss is often subtle, so most teens don't know when they have a problem. but doctors say, identifying those kids is critical. >> for different reasons, one is just possibly different placement in a classroom or they may need to have amplification or may even need hearing aids. >> reporter: many parents have been trying to get their kids to listen up for years. now they have evidence to back them up. >> i'm not surprised entirely because they're constantly connected to ipods, computers. we're constantly on them to turn them down.

they said, "holly hughes is a lesbian, and her work is very heavily of that genre." and, you know, i can't really disagree with that. i mean, i am a lesbian. my work is about that. i just didn't realize it was a genre, and maybe i want my own category of funding, like landscape painting or macrame plant hangers or something like that. but it was really about targeted homophobia, and--although, as i say that, i feel like, "i hope jesse helms would not like my work." then i'd really have to commit suicide. it is controversial, and it is provocative, and i think that should have a place in a country that pretends to be a democracy. even at the time of the controversy, homoerotic work was among the work banned, right? that language was used? yes. in '89, i believe, there was a statute passed that said the n.e.a. couldn't fund work that could be considered obscene, and they gave you, like, a checklist in case you didn't know what that meant, and homoeroticism was on the checklist. so they went after artists in this medium that were openly gay. when you put together this b

sandra hughes reports. >>> reporter: while the emmys kicked off with a glee like dance to honor the showwith the most awards, "glee" wasn't the big winner. instead, "modern family," the mock ument try about a dysfunctionally funny family took home the top comedy prize. >> we are so happy you have let us into your families. >> reporter: eric stonestreet won for best supporting actor on "modern family" but "glee" wasn't empty-handed. the show director won as did the cheer coach jane lynch. >> so i want to thank my, uhm, lord and creator ryan murphy for creating this role of a lifetime. [ applause and cheers ] >> reporter: edie falco said she couldn't believe she won for best actress in a comedy for "nurse jackie." for a third year in a row "mad men" took home the prize for best drama. the most poignant moment time when temple took the stage when hbo was receiving its fourth emmy for the movie made about her life and struggles with autism. george clooney was given the bob hope humanitarian award for his work on haiti relief. a newcomer on the cbs show "the good wife" won for best supporting

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nick sherman, mark shelley, richard ellis, michael hughes, elizabeth colbert, simon winchester. i have been calling a lot of people and asking a lot of questions. thank you to my studio assistance. in sound and media, we have carolyn chadwick, raymond chavez, alex chadwick. my media coordinator, luc d ubious. they've given us a much of their time and brilliance to work with us to help in the final character of the media and also pentagram and management. i have to think what wall of foundries -- i have to thank walal walla foundries. what is missing? it begins with an accounting of what we are losing as we watch. in terms of species and habitat loss and i hope it provokes more a sense of wonder at what this planet is capable of and still could return to. this is a beginning. let's imagine this as a portal. we have begun to think of this as listening to the earth. me will be able to connect to the president. we see all the things that are being accomplished. we can also see into the future and by 2000 12th, we will start with the clean paint for the future. -- and by 2012, we wil

langston hughes started reading my column.es all the time, and this one says, "your column this week, like gospel music, jumps." signed langston. >> narrator: finally, the courier wouldn't be complete without the comics. >> bootsie was simply a cartoon of a great, big, heavy black man who was very funny and very wise and who represented in a very real sense the humor of black people. bootsie was contained in a cartoon different each week. it related to and was understood by every black person in the world. it was their world. it was inside. it was a portrayal of things that most people outside of our race are not aware of and not interested in. it became a household name. it was just one of the funniest cartoons in the world. >> narrator: the courier's cartoons had something for everyone. if you liked adventure, you could follow jive gray, ace reporter for a crusading african-american newspaper. bucky followed the more ordinary adventures of a youngster and his pals. a different kind of information could be found in sunny boy

shares in baker hughes giving back 13%. the company warned that the moratorium on deepwater drilling in the gulf will hurt future profits. investments in africa and latin america aren't doing much, and it has a bigger tax bill after acquiring b.j. services last year. gold prices were up a fraction today. but shares of kinross gold heading in the other direction. kinross will buy red back mining. the $7 billion deal gives kinross access to mining properties in west africa. analysts were positive, but it's an all-stock-and-warrants deal will dilute current shareholders. officemax getting knocked around as well, revenues were below estimates. lots of cost cutting helped second-quarter results, but officemax says the second half of the year will be a tough one for the company. and finally, barnes & noble may be putting itself up for sale. the announcement, after the close, sent its stock up 25% in after-hours trading. the bookseller hired lazard to consider strategic alternatives, including a sale of the firm. and that's tonigh

but sandra hughes has more on what happened. >> reporter: the jetblue airbus from long beach california was landing in sacramento when passengers said they heard a loud bang. >> the flight attendants came over the speaker system and just said get off the plane. i dropped all my stuff and i was the second person off the left hand chute. so got out to the tarmac, ran to the grass and then turned around and you could see the tires in flames. >> reporter: the airbus a320 landed about 1:00 p.m. blowing all four tires on the right-hand side of the jet starting a small fire. officials with the airline say the plane experienced problems with the brakes. the crew deployed the emergency slides to evacuate the plane and witnesses say that is how most of the injured got hurt. >> one lady had come off the chute and landed on her tailbone on the tarmac. and then one other lady i think maybe had some injuries to her ankle. >> reporter: 86 passengers and five crewmembers were on board. sandra hughes, cbs news, los angeles. >>> flights into oakland international airport and mineta san jose airports gett

hugh sikes is in iraq with the details. >> there was a gun battle earlier today at an army checkpoint. eight soldiers chased the gunmen as they ran away, but it turns out this was a trap to lure the soldiers into a house elsewhere in town. the gunmen went into the house, the soldiers followed, and then explosives that had been laid in the house killed the eight soldiers. there are three other dead bodies under the rubble in the house. nobody is quite sure who they belong to, whether they are insurgents or more soldiers. >> an explosion of -- an explosion in rwanda has injured people after an election. official results give him 93% of the vote. opponents claim that he was aided by widespread oppression and violence. national observers have also voiced concerns. >>> a military tribunal at the guantanamo bay naval base has sentenced a former cook and driver to osama bin laden to 14 years in prison. he pled guilty to charges of conspiring with al qaeda. his sentence may be reduced as part of a plea agreement that is still a secret. >>> israel's top military officer said more force should

as you know, he is a nobel laureate, a professor at columbia university, and also a howard hughes medical investigator. he has been our companion, he has been our guide, he has been our guy on understanding the brain. good to see you again. >> pleasure to be here. >> so we begin with the question what do we mean by the developing brain? >> we are exploring together one of the great miracles, as you indicated, in the natural world: the emergence of the human mind. this is an extraordinary adventure. an infant comes into the world with an enormous curiosity to learn and acquires these systematically. not only to recognize faces and abstract things. they learn how to acquire language, they learn how to acquire numerical systems. they don't do this instantaneously. they don't do it simultaneously. they do in the stages. >> rose: this name, who is famous for understanding the developmental stages. >> jean piaget. he's a giant in understanding the steps whereby kids learn about the natural world. and he came across in this in an interesting way. he found it isn't just kids getting more intellig

he is a howard hughes medical investigator. daniel wolpert, his research uses mechanical models that mimic human behavior. he heads the wolpert lab at cambridge university in england. john krakauer, he is interested in how the brains learns new skills and how it can regain function even after stroke or injury. he is an associate professor of neurology and neuroscience at columbia university. robert brown, he is a geneticist physician and all around expert on lou gehrig's disease. he teaches and practices at the university of massachusetts. and once again my co-host is dr. eric kandel, he is, as you know, a nobel laureate, a professor at columbia university and also an investigator at the howard hughes medical research center. i'm pleased to have one more time a chance to talk about this extraordinary thing, this brain. we've gone from the... we've gone from the general, to visual now to movement. what are the themes we'll look at tonight? >> well, charlie, you outlined them so beautifully in your introduction. every behavior is

for match the city boss mark hughes has been unveiled as the new for the manager following that departure avoid hodgson to liverpool the forty six year old's first game in charge will be at home on the seventh of august in a friendly against photogram and while their domestic season kicks off a week later at bolton which is a huge priority for the next campaign. obviously your last year's running in europe was magnificent it's a standout season in the history of form obviously would be difficult to replicate that in terms of domestic competition but that's something not willing to do obviously i think last year given the focus on europe obviously good premier league form wasn't. as good as it could be an ice understandable so without the destruction of europe or be it was a very nice destruction last year we can concentrate fully on the premier league and make sure that we're higher than twelve this year. meanwhile world cup winners spain and their opponents the netherlands have been fined by fee for their ill discipline finally in south africa last month the match set a record for the mo

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moscow meanwhile united go to full on sunday and focus on what ish preys on his former player mark hughes who is now managing the west london side. market a small squad of webber over. you know his experience here would be ideal for thing is you could see the someone robs so were size of clubs anyway and season. with a small school it's almost always created a medical. put some thought first and a much is started joe i. mean. it was phenomenal. well elsewhere chelsea manager carlo ancelotti was bemused by the eighteen game bans that france issued to strike and nicolas anelka earlier this week the italian coach spoke ahead of lou's trip to wigan on saturday. i am happy because. for myself it is good is a good news because you can stay here to train during the international break we will. become a good condition a good physical condition. for him. this is. not a good news because every player want to play in the national team. and also looking for their first win of the season on saturday the gunners entertain new boys blackpool and coach aston vang is up for heads of ahead of the game. who

sandra hughes reports. >> reporter: while the emmys kicked off with a "glee"-like dance to honor thenominated with the most awards, "glee" didn't go home the big winner. instead "modern family," about a dysfunctionally funny family took home top comedy prize. >> we're so happy you let us into your families. >> reporter: eric stonestreet won for best supporting actor on "modern family" but "glee" didn't go home empty handed. the show's director won as did the funny but frightening cheer coach jane lynch. >> so i want to thank my -- lord and creator ryan murphy for creating this role of a lifetime! >> reporter: edie falco says she can't believe she won for best actress in a comedy for "nurse jackie." amc show "mad men" took home prize for most. most poignant moment is when temple grandin took the stage when hbo won an emmy for making a documentary about her life. george clooney was given the bob hope humanitarian award for his work on haiti relief. newcomer achie panjabi for "the good wife" and when jim parsons won for lead actor in a comedy series for his role in cbs "the big bang the

month meanwhile united got a full on sunday i'm focused on lavish praise on this former player mark hughes who is now managing a west london soft. money for their small squad avoid going over. your music spree and. i do feel thing is you could see the same with clubs similar size of clubs anyway and through a season. with a small school it's almost always creates a medical. system a much is start to. say if you don't mean humbug. phenomenal. the new into milan he says takes charge of his first competitive match for the club tonight they take on roma in the italian city pick up into one city at the copper italia and champions league last season with jones in the ring you then left to manage rionda jared and benito as want to continue that success starting with some silverware to save me. she. has run at the cincinnati masters has come to an end he was no advantage of the quarter finals by roger federer the world number two easing past the russian in straight sets after taking the first six for he was pushed a bit more in the second of a janky breaking back on here but federer is still one h

the smokes very overbearing even the sun can't shine through it that's taken on a very eerie rates hugh but the fire is still not looking like they are there under control anywhere at the moment but president medvedev has said this the russian government will be doing everything within their power in order to try and get them under control the soonest possible.

sky meanwhile united got to live on sunday and fagots and watched praise on his former player mark hughes is now managing the west london side. market a small squad of webber over. you know his experience here would be ideal for film thing is you could say the same with bob's so what size of clubs anyway and film was season. but a small school it's almost always creates a medical. the plate some thought just in a much is started in july and i don't mean how broke it was phenomenal. i'll swear chelsea manager carlo ancelotti was bemused by the eighteen game bans that france issued to strike at nicolas anelka earlier this week the italian coach spoke ahead of blues trip to wigan on saturday i am happy because it. for myself is good is a good news because you can stay here to train during the international break he began my day in a good condition a good physical condition i did it for him. this is. not a good news because every player i want to play in the national team. asked are looking for their first win of the season on saturday the gunners entertain new boys blackpool and coach aston

while the who shot hughes came in the american winners the first of four fed ex playoff tournament and it's a good day for tiger woods. stuffed by turkey russia lose to the host nation in the basketball world championships. let's get the ball rolling with tennis where former finalist the elena dementieva has reached the second round of the last grand slam of the season the u.s. open the twelve seed hard break a sweat in six one six two win over the votes over from batteries also threw his fellow russian at the sec a bonobo you have a better suite johana lawson ball there that is doing battle against pondering if ukraine early out french open champion francesca schiavone became the first woman to move into round two the italian who is seeded sixth that was in control in her right now against japan's i you mean marie to win get six one six love in just under an hour. and on the men's side nicholai debbie danko is the first big name to take to the court and number six seed is playing local boy michael russell was made to come from for two down in the first set before taking it six ball. m

hughes the evening in the north this is having nothing to lose at this point and will probably be satisfied with a consolation when. the first leg of the europa league play off against school by four goals. is an article that will give up the fight so easily especially in front of their own fans who probably still remember some battles against the birds of bremen and interim inland or monaco offer of larnaca cyprus that brings us to athletics where a thirteen year old running world. record has been smashed in berlin kenyan sensation david rudisha setting a new best time in the men's eight hundred meters their twenty one year old clocking one minute forty one point zero nine seconds at the olympic stadium he came up short in the world championships here last year but this time i'd like to have plenty to spare twice african champion with. two hundred ths of a second off the previous best mark which was set by denmark's kenyan born to back in ninety seven. dishes record overshadowed custer said many return to her biggest success thus far south african posting the season's best time in the wome

while trading top places defending champions rubini lose their captain a set goes to matt hughes to legally does it. under pressure tiger woods fights to keep his number one status and place on the us right up to him. but we kick off with football as it is and petersburg are one step away from the champions league group stage they remain inside one nil at the stadium on wednesday night two in their third qualifying round tie after the first leg to finish goalless danny five the home side ahead after thirty three minutes and they hung on to the lead to win one nil on the night and on aggregate they now go into friday's draw for the champions league playoffs the goodnights is in it who also completed the signing of portugal defend that bruno alvarez twenty two million euros. so isn't it avoided and early exit but turkish giants fenerbahce are at base of it a shocking one no home defeat to swiss side young boys in istanbul hammering striker only beyond the name with the strike itself aside when the time three to one august and mathematics works with about three they also have had numerous life

information was made public it hasn't happened let me ask you something you're saying ten trillion dollars hughes around number and losses the federal reserve and barack obama have thrown quantitative anything and stimulus packages at these losses to tadic get the economy starting again but the economy is rolling over and playing dead again which is to infer that there are more. are losses yet to be disclosed now in came black i know that's a bit of a guessing game because no one's providing accurate information but what is yet to be revealed in this debt born tax is it another ten trillion yet to be revealed in debt there are two different things going on first that there is a really severe recession and that really severe recession has reduced private demand somewhere in the range of six trillion dollars the stimulus bill is of course roughly eight hundred billion dollars you see you can see that it isn't remotely going to fill the hole in lost demand and yeah actually have to net out of the stimulus bill a two hundred billion dollars reduction in state and local funding now there's a second th