the twenty-first year, former us president donald trump, in an interview with american radio host hugh hewitted that he maintained close ties with russia and north korea, with whom the current head of the white house is only escalating the confrontation trump previously said that the united states is heavily involved in the ukraine conflict. however, biden stop. this is not possible due to his incompetence. this would never happen. i'll tell you so, the events in ukraine - it's so sad. putin would. i would never have done this. if the elections had not been rigged our elections. they were fabricated and stolen. if this election wasn't rigged, if i were president, there would be millions alive today. of people. they have just been appointed, and they are already suspecting rustemumers of corruption. without a year of work as minister of defense of ukraine, and a criminal case is already being initiated against him. it is noteworthy that the previous head of the ministry of defense was removed due to corruption, they say. this can harm the money injections of the west and its supply of weapons,

he'd love to sit down with sean hannity or hugh hewitt or laura ingraham or with cnn and an entire roomof trump super fans. but what he really want to sit down with a court of law facing off against fani willis and jack smith? >> yeah, i mean, i think for the first time in my life i profoundly disagree with carol leonnig, who is an amazing reporter and analyst. the boy, on this, one i just can't imagine in 1 million years donald trump testifying under oath. this guy's terrified of oath. trump's two oaths as oil is to water. it's just not going to happen. and i think the proof of this is that if you really were -- if donald trump really believed that he wanted to go and tell the truth and testify, then why in the world is he trying to delay these trials till 2026, for heaven's sake? i mean, if you're an innocent person and you think you've done nothing wrong, you show up in court, and that's exactly what you say, and you explain yourself, instead of going on, you know, fox news in saying presidential records act or whatever other nonsense comes out of his mouth. and so, you know, it's ve

this is trump talking to conservative radio host, hugh hewitt, last week. >> you are confident on these cases? you don't think you are going to be behind a defendant table throughout the entire campaign, crippled and unable to campaign? >> i mean, you know, if i am, if i am, it's going to show what a fake deal it all is. it's all fake. it's all just fake stuff. >> do you want to televised? >> they made it up in order to interfere with the election. this was election interference at the highest level. >> here he was just yesterday, with an interview with another conservative broadcaster, meghan kelly. i will note, just for everybody listening at home, this interview includes some very strange video edits that we are not responsible for. take a listen. >> we have a deranged guy named jack smith, who has been overturned at the supreme court a number of times. you talk to me about all of the different prosecution, these are prosecutions. these are biden indictments. there is a crooked politician. he said, indict my political opponent. >> even today, while responding on social media to this

you heard dana reference donald trump today to hugh hewitt, he said he's working to get this totally dismissed from him. whether or not that's successful remains to be seen. but he is -- he says not at all concerned that this is going to play out on television. of course, that's donald trump's preferred medium when he's trying to convince people to his cause. >> yeah, and he's not concerned until potentially he is when this evidence is there. i mean, the judge was very, very sceptical of the idea of trying all of these defendants. the concern about this becoming a federal case, what if they start trying it this way and it does all get moved to federal court and you're in the middle of this. >> the two most important words we heard today were, quote, very sceptical. the top-line takeaways, chesebro and powell will be tried together. they're effort to get apart from each other was denied from the bench. but much more importantly, it is 99.9% clear, they are going to be tried separately from the other 17 and most importantly for their purpose, donald trump. people say why did they invok

but then the radio host hugh hewitt goes on to say , why hugh hewitt goes on to say, why would you wantand he says, yes . yeah. yes. yeah. >> but the chances of getting her are very, very small. i mean, he could eat it for breakfast, couldn't he? but but i think she might do it if she's really sick about being a politician because if you are wanting to be a politician , you wanting to be a politician, you have to fight with other people. you have to have discussions. you have to have discussions. you win arguments. but you have to win arguments. but i think she doesn't because i think she doesn't because i think underneath she's got a very thin skin. she won't want to by him . and she to be attacked by him. and she could get out of it by saying , could get out of it by saying, well, look, he's been accused of so things, he could be put so many things, he could be put into prison. wouldn't dare into prison. i wouldn't dare speak somebody who's set like speak to somebody who's set like that. she didn't go in 20 that. and she didn't go in 20 1918 when he went to see the queen. she just she

hugh hewitt was on fox yesterday. here's what he said about the economy and democrats pretending like it's all going really great. >> look at it in january of 2,020 versus today, the trump economy, pre-covid, and employment was 3.5%, the number of unemployed in the country, 5. 8 million and the interest rate was 3%, you could purchase a house if you are a first-time homebuyer, now those numbers are, 4.8%, 6.1 million unemployed, 7% mortgages. when you go back to the trump economy and compare it to the biden economy after trillion dollars in spending, republicans are looking forward to running on that comparison and it will be a recession next year. >> is it a life you don't know what you are saying? he meant 4%, president biden said 14%, doesn't know much of what he is saying these days but there's lies and statistics, what's the phrase, something like this, lies and statistics, the reality is what happened at the end of trump presidency? covid happened. the entire economy shut down so biden is saying my predecessor l

axios stef kight and syndicated radio host hugh hewitt. we look at the economy. hugh, how do you look at it. >> i look at it in january of 2020, bret, versus today. the height of the trump economy precovid unemployment 3.5%. the number of unemployed in the country 5.8 million. and the interest rate was 3%. you could buy a house if you were a first-time home buyer. now those numbers are up to 3.8% to 6.4 million unemployed and of course 7% mortgages. i think when you go back to the trump economy, precovid and compare it to the biden economy after trillions of dollars of spending, republicans are looking forward to running on that comparison. i think it's going to be in a recession next year, economists are split. >> bret: obviously president biden sees that differently. presents it differently. stef they say jobs much better than what was created under the trump administration. but you look at how people feel about it in the fox poll. the biden has made the economy worse, according to 52% better is 25%, stef. >> this is going to be a huge is

but then the radio host hugh hewitt goes on to say , why hugh hewitt goes on to say, why would you wantand he says, yes . yeah. yes. yeah. >> but the chances of getting her are very, very small. i mean, he could eat it for breakfast, couldn't he? but but i think she might do it if she's really sick about being a politician because if you are wanting to be a politician , you wanting to be a politician, you have to fight with other people. you have to have discussions. you have to have discussions. you win arguments. but you have to win arguments. but i think she doesn't because i think she doesn't because i think underneath she's got a very thin skin. she won't want to by him . and she to be attacked by him. and she could get out of it by saying , could get out of it by saying, well, look, he's been accused of so things, he could be put so many things, he could be put into prison. wouldn't dare into prison. i wouldn't dare speak somebody who's set like speak to somebody who's set like that. she didn't go in 20 that. and she didn't go in 20 1918 when he went to see the queen. she just she

speaking of audio recordings, take a listen to donald trump talking to hugh hewitt about testifying. >> if you have to go to trial, will you testify in your own defense? >> oh, yes, absolutely. that i look forward to. >> so it's not a surprise that he would say that. also not a surprise we had him on earlier who said he didn't think that was a great idea for any defendant. and i think it was fair to say he agreed with my assess tent that mr. trump is not the most disciplined person who has ever taken a stand. is there any chance that he takes a stand? >> i suppose there's always a chance, but to your point, it's not the course that i think his lawyers are likely to recommend. and donald trump's lawyers have been wrestling with him throughout not just this investigation but the mueller investigation when he was in the white house as well, when one of his first impulses was to meet with robert mueller. he believes he can convince anyone of anything, and he can sell his case. so i'm not surprised that he said that. but to your point, we've already seen a divergence in what he is willing

[laughter] >> hugh hewitt a friend and i'm occasionally a guest on his program, and he's a lawyer himselfhis is a bad idea. [laughter] you should not be answering this question -- [laughter] no. he absolutely not -- should not, and i don't think his lawyers will want him to take the stand because it's simply too unpredictable in terms of any direction can he could go and the questions directed at him. howard: leslie, i'm not a lawyer, but i've covered many, many trials. especially in the document trial, summiting yourself -- subjects yourself to cross-examination might be unwise. >> oh, very unwise. you know, there's two reasons that a witness takes the stand. one is their lawyer thinks it will benefit their case and, two, they can't control their client, ask is and their client demands it and is writing the check that pays them to represent them. and i think i agree with ben that the attorneys, they will and they should do everything. we also is are to remember, and i'm going to say this as, you know, as respectfully as i can, sometimes the truth and donald trump have a, you know, proble

donald trump wants to take the stand in his own defense, at least that is what he told hugh hewitt todaye a listen. >> if you have to go to trial, will you testify in your own defense? >> oh, yes. absolutely. >> you'll take the stand? >> that i look forward to. >> former trump attorney tim parlatore. and as trump's former attorney, do you think him taking the stand at a trial would he about a good idea? >> personally, i do nt like of any clients taking the stand in a criminal case. this is not something they're required to do. and i have not generally had any clients take the stand unless they first undergo a very rigorous cross-examination by me. and pass. and i don't believe myself, i'm not testifying. so, i can't see it being a good idea here. >> i can't help but think about the last time that he kind of testified in his own defense. it was -- when he was deposed in the e. jean carroll civil case and it was a videotaped deposition and one woman he confused the woman suing him with his second wife marla maples and then there was this moment when he was asked about the quote about grabb

also, there's this point where donald trump was telling hugh hewitt today that he was willing to go ontand to defend himself at trial, and we have heard trump say, oftentimes, that he would testify, and then he would oftentimes say, i would do it. but my lawyer say i can't. so, in this instance, the idea of him testifying -- would you suggest he do so in any of these cases? >> so, lawyers are risk averse. and so, i would always say no, especially with trump, where, you know, you never know what he is going to say. and so, that amount of risk is just not something that you need, especially in something like the mar-a-lago case. i think you want to focus less on the facts, because the facts are pretty bad. and you want to focus more on the law. what is the interaction between the presidential records act and the espionage act. what is the required state of mind under the espionage act. these sort of questions, where you really don't want to be pushing the facts. and, of course, trump is going to be out there with a whole bunch of facts. so, do i think trump is ultimately going to testify

. >> president trump, former president trump was asked by hugh hewitt today on a radio interview, straight or not he directed anyone to move boxes at mar-a-lago of the documents and he said i don't talk about anything because i'm allowed to do anything i want and i come under the presidential records act and i'm allowed to do everything i did. so you see that he is not changing at all from where he's been throughout this entire process and now, you know, he can keep saying that and if more witnesses start cooperating this will be much more difficult for the former president. >> when trump is paying for their attorneys with employee number four taveras was to erase tapes and now he has that testimony. it does speak to the legal fees and who is paying for that, though. >> no doubt about that, and you can see the difference when it changes. >> yeah. this is a tried and true trump tactic. he's done it to protect himself in the january 6th investigation and congress over cassidy hutchinson and she had a trump-funded lawyer and she was able to come clean and it happens all of the time. >> thank

but what is interesting from that into view with hugh hewitt, is that trump made a confession here withnderstand the law, and that could come back to bite him if this gets to trial, where he says, i can do whatever i want. everything comes under the presidential records act. i can do whatever i want. that's not the law. there is going to be jury instructions, no doubt, if this gets to the trial and gets to the jury verdict, and with the judge outlines how that is, in fact, not the law, how lost to applies in terms of obstruction provisions, in terms of the espionage act, and everything trump of spouting off of what he seems to believe, despite what his lawyers kept telling him, is not in fact accurate. that will be his undoing if this gets to a verdict. >> harry lippman, stanley was words filing today, in the case, is a very strange filing for many reasons, but the essence of it is, he is asking to have his own client, walton outer, examined by the judge, to ensure the judge, that walt nauta sees no conflict with stanley woodward representative ribs and again. more importantly than that

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he was on the conservative hugh hewitt's radio show. i want to play a bit of that. >> did you tell anyone to move the boxes? >> i don't talk about anything. you know why? because i'm allowed to do whatever i want. i come under the presidential records act. i'm not telling you. >> they ask you on the stand, did you order anyone to move boxes? how will you answer? >> i'm not answering that question to you, but i'm totally covered under the law. >> just a brief exchange there, maya. as you know, we take thought with what we do play. we chose to run that excerpt. it's striking because number one, i think mr. hewitt asks a fairly straightforward question that could come up at trial if he took the stand, and it shows that even some trump allies or conservatives are curious about how it's all going to play out? does he have reasonable defenses? could he be convicted in two federal trials before election day? that seem to be mr. hewitt's concern. what do you make of what we heard there? >> you know, i heard a donald trump that maybe listened to

this is his conversation with hugh hewitt. these are the classified documents case. here's what he said. >> i think that obstruction trial is going to get to trial, mr. president. >> at trial, i'll testify. >> and if you do and they ask you on the stand, did you order anyone to move boxes, how will you answer? >> i'm not answering that question to you, but i'm toemt totally covered under the law. if you read the presidential records act, just read it, you take a look at it. i'm totally covered under the law. it's a civil act. it's civil. >> what's fascinating to me there is he said i'm not going to answer the question, and he doesn't directly answer the question about whether or not he moved the boxes, right, but he can't stop himself from saying something, and that's, i think a little glimpse into potentially if he took the witness stand what donald trump the witness might be like. what do you think the chances are on what kind of witness he would be? >> he's not going to testify. i can't -- it just will be a gold mine for any prosecutor. i mean, you'll have days of

meantime, the former president told radio host hugh hewitt he would be willing to testify in his own defense, but it was unclear which case he was talking about. >> so if you have to go to trial, will you testify in your own defense? >> oh, yes, absolutely. oh, on that -- >> you'll take the stand? >> that i would do. that i would look forward to. >> with us to talk about all of this, katie phang, msnbc legal contributor and host of "the katie phang show," and garrett haake. kenneth chesebro and sidney powell got their speedy trial, but were unable to separate their cases. what could that potentially mean for all the other defendants? >> well, to your point, jose, kenneth chesebro was desperately trying to convince judge mcafee yesterday to make sure he didn't have to sit next to sidney powell during his trial that will begin on october 23rd, both filing demands for speedy trials. the judge was required to set the them as quickly as he did, but what do you do with the remaining 17? as you look at the screen, there is 19 in total, the other 17 have not filed demands for speedy trial. s

he loves to sit down with sean hannity or hugh hewitt or lauren ingraham, or with cnn in an entire room full of trump super fans. but what he he really want to sit down in a court of law facing off against fani willis and jack smith? >> i think for the first time in my life i'm disagree with -- this remaining reporter and. analysts but, boy on this one i just can't imagine in 1 million years donald trump testifying under oath. this guy is terrified of oaths. trump's two oaths what oil is to water. this is not going to happen. i think the proof of this is and if you really were -- if donald trump really believe that he wanted to go and tell the truth, and testify, why in the world is he trying to delay these trials until 2026 for heaven's sake? if you are an innocent person and you think you've done nothing wrong, you show up in court and that is exactly what you say. you explain yourself. and snow going on fox news and saying presidential records act or whatever or whatever they're nonsense comes out of the mouth, it's very simple. if he believes he shouldn't actually say it and prove i

hugh hewitt said $90 against president biden being the nominee that was last week. new pole. jessica, the former president has a massive lead right now. the choice for president. he is at 60 percent and he's up 50 percent on his newest arrival. this is when you are up against president biden and the republican candidate. president biden is being beaten. the lead for president trump is significant. he took to true social saying the best poles ever appeared really shown on television. the date by 50 to 60 points. just like they don't like showing our big rally crowds the don't like showing a great poll numbers. we have rigged elections and bring to television.this television has shown your big collection numbers. jessica, it seems like it's a breakaway even up 7 points after the latest.>> it's good news because he wasn't a fan of the foxpro for very long time. now we have them on board which is wonderful. it is amazing to see with each new indictment he got stronger for the crime or primary crowd which is not necessarily true of the general election. that's within the

is not the case with donald trump who told hugh hewitt that he would testify. people to listen to this sound. >> if you have to go to trial, will you testify in your own defense? >> oh, yes, absolutely. >> you would take the stand? >> that i look forward to. >> not only would he, he would look forward to it. is that something you would recommend in any of these pending cases? >> listen, in my view, it's always the client's decision. i think the law recognizes that also. and whenever someone's life or freedom is at stake, i think it's very important for that person to make the decision. donald trump has wanted to testify before. he wanted to testify in the e. jean carroll case. lawyers counselled him otherwise. it's prudent advice for any defendant, generally. donald trump bleeelieves he is great communicator, has proven to be a great communicator, so i would expect him to testify. >> you would expect him to testify. i want to get into what i am fascinated by, this argument over the 14th amendment and whether it means that former president trump is disqualified

. >> yeah, a little bit earlier today, rather, the former president did the interview with hugh hewitt on the radio, wide ranging interview, but he did talk at length about the various legal issues here, and hewitt went after him on a couple of points about his lawyers and his relationship with them, and about the idea he would want to testify in his own defense. it's not clear from the transcript if mr. trump was being very specific about which of these cases, but he does say absolutely he would like to take the stand and he looks forward to it, talking about the cases and the hoaxes against him and the opportunity to clear his name by testifying in his own defense. it's worth pointing out when he was president trump, donald trump talked in the same way about answering questions from robert mueller, the special counsel who was investigating him, the idea of a sit down interview never fully came together. now, the circumstances were very different there, but his openness to appearing in his own defense may not translate to him actually taking the stand, a decision that would be made wi

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