hugh mccall and nationsbank, bank of america hated two things with the passion. he hated mortgage lending and he hated investment anchors. take that for what it's worth. things started to change. kerry changed, a very tightknit management group started to grow apart. maybe you want to walk us through that. >> said two things started happening a bouncer at 2000 timeframe and this is a crucial timeframe for sub for. kerry killinger began to really believe that wamu should be an east coast institution. he really became obsessed with this notion of having the bank of p. without these giant tanks on the east coast. and at the same time, he began to change personally. he left his wife of 30 years and she had really been credited with keeping them grounded. he remarried another, yes, linda killinger who was a lot less though and both became much more obsessed with the trappings of the ceo after banning corporate jet for the span of the ceo career, they were suddenly find corporate jets all around the country. they became -- they balcom you may recall we have a giant new