guests from caracas, the managing director of global sovereign advisory, a advisor ton president hugo chavezin new york, vanessa nyman. she's the former official representative of juan guaido in the united kingdom. from caracas, will gunston, a senior analyst at the international crisis group, a consultant on latin america. let's begin in new york with you, vanessa. your guy has failed. it's time to back a new one. vanessa: there was a joke about the interim government, it is not interim, nor does it govern. if this was not going to achieve its objectives, venezuela needed to get out of the maduro versus guaido dialectic and do something to benefit the people. i am not sure whether it is backing a new horse or finding a way to ease that suffering and bring infrastructure development, proper humanitarian help, and not just in the way of handouts, but also things considered the basic to human development and human rights. that is where we need to go now. it is time to end the dialectic and find a solution for the venezuelan people. imran: what do you think of that? >> absolutely. the so-called

since hugo chavez won the popular election in 1998, they've tried every type of terrorism in economic sabotage to oust nicholas me a little. so i was the boulevard in government. they don't want to see a tele sword. they don't want to see, and in the south it speaks to the people of the so they don't want to see medical sure. sued or a say lock. they don't want to see economic agreements. that length itself. so then as well as long as thorn in their side, certainly we saw we've been as well as able to do through internationalists, oil diplomacy and job in years. but when rocco bomb in 2014 implemented these very cruel sanctions, and put ben as well as cuba onto this superficial made up list of terrorists. this is the very intention of richard nixon and henry kissinger in 1973 when they bothered to make the chalet in economy scream. when w a in there was a power. so any social is left leaning government has encouraged this type. ready wrath from washington, as it seems as it seems, daniel history continues to repeat itself. daniel shaw, professor of latin american studies at the city u

and germans, i mean, different things that were floating around as to who was involved, i mean, hugo chaveze was not the only republican official to question what was happening. the committee heard that other in the former president's former circle did not support his plans. i told them that the stuff his people were shovelling out to the public were... was bleep. the claims of fraud were bleep. armed with these false narratives, trump and his allies began to try to overturn the results of the election... ..firstly by putting pressure on officials in states he had lost, like georgia and arizona. thank you, please be seated. rusty bowers, republican speaker of the arizona house of representatives, told the committee that he received a phone call from president trump and rudy giuliani, who was part of the president was my personal legal team. so mr giuliani was claiming on the call there were hundreds of thousands of undocumented people and thousands of dead people who had purportedly voted in the election. yes? and ou asked him for evidence of that? and you asked him for evidence of that? id

i could leave then they, the capital hugo chavez, square, 3000 and displaced residence from the neighborhood of city to lay where the united nations assesses 900, some people say some catastrophic hunger. they camped on the squares concrete. well, i don't know what was the last time i had a problem with that because we've been living at the camp sleeping on the ground at night. it's freezing cold when it rain rain on us. that was until authorities surrounded the square with the brand new fence and tossed them out. in a matter of hours, i ask where they will sleep tonight. oh, in the street in the street we have nowhere to go to sleep. like the local administrator says, the number seeking aid here of swelled because locals who aren't from seduce delay, saw an opportunity for a handout. a young man still provides evidence of its own in the city, were up to 200 gangs of fighting for territory. leading display citizens with nothing more than a scrap of paper to call their own pro the one out a 0. put a piece on to summer of record high temperatures. europe's vomas' on guessing a winter respite.

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director of global sovereign advisory, and was previously deputy foreign minister adviser to president hugo chavez in chief of stuff to president nicholas meadow or in neil vanessa norman. she's the founder and ceo of asymmetrical political risk firm. she's also the former official represent sit for one guy in the united kingdom and ireland and also from crackers, full guns, and he's a senior analyst, the in special crisis group and a consultant on latin america. welcome to you'll, but begin in new york with you, vanessa. you guys failed, it's time to back and you'll surely. well, i think, you know, that was a joke about the interim government started. it's not internet. no, does it cover? so i think that that unfortunately gained a lot of current, you know, on record events since my resignation in 2020. that if this was not going to achieve its objectives, that's why you get to get out of my daughter versus by the dialect. do something to benefit people, you know, the long suffering that us mind people. so i think i'm not sure about whether it's backing a new horse or finding a way to basically e

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the public wa bull - >> he said that people wer voting a combinations of italians in germans and hugo chaveznes. >> are you out of your effin mind >> he's become detached from reality. >> what they were proposing thought was nuts >> they were idiotic claims. >> totally nuts. >> votes were still bein counted, still early to tell too early to call the race >> we should not declare victory until we had mor information. >> i do not agree with the ide of saying the election was stolen and putting out thi stuff which i told the president was bull - >> i respect attorney genera barr, so i accepted what he wa saying >> there was ketchup drippin down the wall, and there's o shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the president was extremel angry and had thrown his lunch against the wall >> after the election, wha were the chances of presiden trump winning the election >> none. >> he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms he was going to lose >> we would lose nine to nothing in the supreme court >> the president's mind wa made up. >> rather than accept th results of the election, h tried to con

voting items in this country, that they work hand in hand with a deceased venezuelan president hugo chavezs implicating that there is somehow some funny business, some fraud involved, because dominion was involved. of course, that was never proven, that is completely false. but when sydney powell was telling donald trump, her theory on this, hope hicks says that donald trump put the phone on mute, and explain to everyone else in the room, that sounds pretty crazy, doesn't it? so that was his initial assessment of this. laura, crucially, the president never publicly disavowed sony paul's claims. instead, despite releasing a statement saying that she was no longer part of the legal team, donald trump did seem to go along with rudy giuliani's claims, sydney powell's false election fraud claims, even though in private, it seems he viewed them as quote, crazy. >> jessica, thank you so, much i wanna bring in liam donovan, former aide, and polite maria cardona, morgan collins, managing editor at axios. what's your reaction to this? >> i just think that this, is again, the focus goes to donald tru

. >> late hugo chavez? >> absolutely not. >> do use of venezuelan company software that has been used to -- >> absolutely not. anderson, i can cut all of this short. we were founded in toronto, which is where my family was from. and there is nothing to do with venezuela. >> can you flip votes in the computer system, can you add vote that did not exist? >> absolutely not. >> president trump first mentioned dominion in a tweet november 12th, and recorded this video a few weeks later, which was posted on facebook. >> we have a company that is very suspect. its name is dominion. with the turn of a dial or the change of the chip you, you can press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. what kind of a system is this? we have to go to paper. maybe it takes longer, but the only secure system is paper. >> why not just have paper ballots? >> we do a paper ballots. what the machines do is they count those paper ballots in a way that makes it very easy for people to verify after the fact, through the means of a

. >> italians, germans, hugo chavez. >> indians are getting paid to vote.it was not true. >> he's become detached from reality. >> crazy stuff. what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> they were idiotic claims. >> nuts. >> votes are still being counted. it's too early to tell, too early to call the race. >> we should not go declare victory until we had a better sense of the numbers. >> i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which i told the president was bull -- >> i respect attorney general barr so i accepted what he was saying. >> there's ketchup dripping down the wall and there's a shattered porcelain plate on the floor. the president was extremely angry and had thrown his lunch against the wall. >> after the election, what were the chances of president trump winning the election? >> none. >> he delivered to the president pretty blunt terms he was going to lose. >> we would lose 9-0 in the supreme court. >> the president's mind is made up. >> rather than accept the results of the election he tri

jokes were bad but i'll happy take some stale puns over a long rant about how china is working with hugo chavezgle in forged ballots or whatever trump used to talk about during holidays. "they've treated me very unkindly these crooked democrats more than anyone has been treated before and that, of course, is the true meaning of mother's day. [ laughter ] remember when he used to host the easter egg roll at the white house and the bunny would just stand next to him for what felt like forevever while t trump wod ramble thehe children n about he rebuilt ththe militaryry or something. and for some reason, that bunny was always making a face like he just walked in on his parents having sex which presumably happens all the time because, you know, they are bunnies. "mom dad! i'm already sharing my room with 30 brothers and sisters. [ laughter ] in fairness to trump, i don't know why his staff went on amazon and specifically chose the costume called horrified easter bunny [ laughter ] i did enjoy president biden's shoutout to his dog commander, though that one doesn't quite seem like a joke to me "ther

paul is going on and on about her conspiracy theories, she's talking hugo chavez.r, the president muted her speakerphone and laughed at, powell telling others in the room, this does sound crazy doesn't it? this is from hope hicks testimony. does the spirit of any of this get to the hard-core election deniers, that donald trump himself would listen to sydney powell's antics and then tell his crew, this is crazy? >> yeah, listen stephanie, i am so glad to bring this up. if you think about this in a forward thinking, lens liz cheney's forward thinking lens is to not let donald trump return to power. i think there is a broader theme, here and you seize on it perfectly with your question, and is this. this is a story about the danger of lies and conspiracies in american politics and the ability to manipulate voters, and sometimes i suppose viewers, with misinformation and with malice and the deadly consequences of succeeding with those lies and conspiracy theories. here's why it's important. it is not just about donald trump returning to power. when -- a house leadershi

paul is going on and on about her conspiracy theories, she's talking hugo chavez.rump needed sir, the president muted her speakerphone and laughed at, powell telling others in the room, this does sound crazy doesn't it? this is from hope hicks testimony. does the spirit of any of this get to the hard-core election deniers, that donald trump himself would listen to sydney powell's antics and then tell his crew, this is crazy? >> yeah, listen stephanie, i am so glad to bring this up. if you think about this in a forward thinking, lens liz cheney's forward thinking lens is to not let donald trump return to power. i think there is a broader theme, here and you seize on it perfectly with your question, and is this. this is a story about the danger of lies and conspiracies in american politics and the ability to manipulate voters, and sometimes i suppose viewers, with misinformation and with malice and the deadly consequences of succeeding with those lies and conspiracy theories. here's why it's important. it is not just about donald trump returning to power. when -- a h

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they said the software was created in venezuela for hugo chavez.e itself, that's a lie. the committee said trump tweeted and retweeted 30 false claims about the dominion machines. he did the same about every other crazy theory that was thrown at him with devastating consequences. the january 6th report says all of these lies motivated trump supporters to attack the capitol. if there is someone to blame that man is quite clearly former president donald j. trump. joining me again is ryan nobles. ryan, good to see you. thank you for being here tonight, my friend. can you -- we have a lot going on here. as we talk about the transcripts and the final report, can you tell us whether -- what the relationship is as it stands right now between the material, the evidence that the committee has applied that it has gathered over the last several months and the doj and whether the doj -- whether everyone is working, you know, with parallel work output, whether the sort of biggest names with the most bombshell testimonies have gone to the doj? do you have eviden

powell who falsel claimed that the company's software was created i venezuela at the direction o hugo chavezold trump about this conspiracy theory ove phone call trump laughed literally. while she was speaking, th president muted hi speakerphone and laughed a powell telling the others in the room, this does sound crazy, doesn't it a few days later, the trum campaign issued a statemen claiming powell was not part o the trump campaign's legal team. but the lie, the lights self that survived according to the committee, trump tweeted and re-tweeted more than 30 fals comes about the machines and he did the same with every other crazy theory that wa thrown at him with devastating consequences the january 6th report concludes that all of thes lies motivated trump supporter to attack the u.s. capitol and if there's someone to blam in all of this, that man i quite clearly former president donald j trump joining me again as nbc' capitol hill correspondent rya nobles ryan, it's good to see you thank you for being here tonight, my friend can you -- we have a lot going on here as we talk about the transc