we have with us today hugo lowell, a congressional reporter at the guardian that will help us preview the hearing that will be later. good morning, hugo, how are you? guest: great, how are you? host: what are your thoughts? do you think this will be the final hearing? do you think that there still may be more public comment, public statements the committee will want to make later this year? guest: that's a good question. i think the committee itself is not sure. they are billing this hearing today as the final investigative hearing. we will certainly get another hearing around the report and as the recommendations the committee will make to try to make recommendations about how to prevent another january 6 from happening. but, members and at council on the committee are treating this hearing as the final investigative one where they will show new things they have uncovered, new pieces of information, new evidence that appears to connect donald trump to january 6. host: what new threats are revelations or you expecting today? we have had so many questions about the documentary that fol

charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor, an msnbc legal analyst analyst, as law as well as hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. hugo, is the peanut has been sort of the donald trump, how did the january six committee frame the need for him to testify. >> yeah, it really framed around the fact that there are a bunch of unresolved issues that the committee has been unable to untangle. some of the questions go straight to the heart of what donald trump knows. some of these questions, in fact, about the contact of people say michael flynn, -- as well as any potential contacts with the -- those are that only trump would know. there is a line in that subpoena that says, look, these document requests, these testament requests on what is uniquely positioned to answer. >> to that end, charles, they subpoena repeatedly uses the word you in its list of charges against the former president. for example, you personally orchestrated and oversaw a multi point effort to overturn the 2020 presidential election. is this language uniquely issuing a subpoena? also, what stands out to you

joining me right now, hugo lowell congressional poor for the guardian, and former brooklyn prosecutorst, charles, welcome. sources are telling the times that trump's aides never pursued that deal. but what does it tell you about the potential legal risk that he has created for himself, for his lawyers in his advisors. >> once again, alex what we are seeing in the situation, and alleged development around this entire ordeal is that donald trump has absolutely no regard for food is he chooses to throw under the bus or put in professional peril. he could have very well in this situation, threaten the licensing and practicing ability for any of the attorneys were aides who are involved and we asked to strike this very on ethical and variants that acts of a deal. you never get to make arrangements for the doj while the fbi to say, i know you want, this i have, that so let's make a swap. that is not how any of this works as a prosecutor. it's able to hallucinations, and an incredible thought it would be okay for him to put forward his personal crusade or an exoneration with the russia probe

hugo lowell joins us as, well congressional reporter for the guardian, and andrew weissmann, former fbinsel and former senior member of the mueller probe. he is now a professor at nyu law school. all right, hugo, lots that the committee could do tomorrow. but in terms of new, evidence what are we expecting? look, i think they really want to get into the heart of what remains a clear and present danger in respect to january 6th. that involves top political operatives like roger stone and michael flynn and steve bannon remaining around the presidents orbit, and continuing to spread [inaudible] lies about the 2020 election. and this is a [inaudible] that's going to continue. and i think the committee is going to take a step back for the first time and focus on the wider issues that led up to january 6th. i think that's why you're gonna see documentaries about roger stone, and that's where you want to see communications between secret service agents on the day of the capitol attack. >> let's connect the last hearing to this hearing, carol. and i want to share a bit of what cassidy hutchinso

hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. al contributor daniels, white house writer for politico and coauthor of the playbook newsletter. good to see you, hugo. talk us through the oath keepers alleged role in the capitol riot, for those who may have forgotten. >> the oath keepers were one of the groups that stormed the capitol, and as you alluded to in the opening, one of the most organized groups. they consolidated their weapons and their intentions well in advance of january 6th. they are part of the leaders to it, rhodes on trial for conspiracy, he was one of the attendees at a january five part encourage rendezvous with the head of another far-right extremist group of the proud boys. prosecutors here, starting next, week want to show that stewart rhodes and his tops were part of a conspiracy to stop the certification of january six. the crux of this was that he had a quick reaction stationed across the river from washington, d.c. with actual weapons ready to storm the capitol, if they were given the signal to do so. >> m

. >> joining us now, congressional reporter for the guardian, hugo lowell. good to see you this morning. seems once again the committee hearings lived up to expectations. what were your biggest take aways? >> i think the issuance of the subpoena to trump was obviously the big capstone of that hearing. it's going to be symbolic. you have to start with this. the fact that congress cannot really compel a president to testify because of the justice department's view on chute immunity for president ands former presidents. i think that really hamstrings the ability to actually get testimony from trump. but that is not really the aim here. the aim really is to say to trump, look, here's your chance to rebutt all of our evidence. that came at a really significant hearing. people like nancy pelosi and steny hoyer and also the counterparts across the aisle. i think that is also very powerful. it rebuts a lot of the accusations from trump aligned republicans who say pelosi didn't do anything on january 6. just turned out to be false. >> the images are so striking. you

. >> joining me now is hugo lowell and melissa murray. melissa, let's start with you. all of this evidence showing planning and the premeditation to commit violence on january 6th has to be very had news for the defense, right? >> it is pretty problematic. a big part of the question around conspiracy is whether or not you have the state of mind to commit a crime in conjunction with other individuals, and then act in furtherance of that crime. so, again, stewart rhodes will likely say he didn't have the mindset to commit sedition, that he thought he was acting pursuant to the insurrection act, which would make his actions lawful. but it seems damning here, that they knew the insurrection act might not cover them and were only using it as a means of legal cover, which suggests they knew that this was unlawful and improper. >> hugo, how does this trial compare with the others, considering stewart rhodes was the head of the oath keepers? >> yeah, it's really significant, the way that the doj has been building all to this. this is the biggest trial for january 6 defendants

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joining me now, hugo lowell, congressional reporter for the guardian. and lisa reuben, msnbc legal analyst. he, ago we played those documentary clips for you last sunday. so, forgive us if you're having a case of dÉjÀ vu. we first learned that they will be part of the january six hearing. what other evidence is the committee likely to share? >> i think it's really going to be centered on the clips, it's about 68 minutes worth of clips that the january six committee got from but danish filmmaker who followed stone through the end of november 2020 toward january 6th. and all of his activities. telling various reporters, calling various people connected to the proud boys and the oath keepers. and it's really going to be centered on these political operatives outside of the white house, aside of the administration, who played such key roles in the fomenting of the language and on wrestling up to january 6th. i think they'll play center stage. the committee also has a number of unanswered questions that they want to get into. it's not clear whether they will