hugo lowell, andrew weissmann, melissa murray, we have a lot of work to do. coming, up a new poll raising questions about the presidential election. one year ago from the main event, how accurate are the predictions? -- when this continues. >> a new york times cnn poll shows president biden is trailing trump in five crucial battleground states. it's getting a lot of attention but remembered so early in the race and many of these results are within the margin of error. just think about this, today, trump was in a new york courtroom for civil fraud trial. he's also charged with 91 family counts in four different jurisdictions. in, while president biden was in delaware today talking to workers about a 16 billion dollar federal investment in rail travel. back with us to discuss, two of my favorites, robert gibbs, former obama campaign senior adviser and white house press secretary under president obama, and -- former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. he is one of the co-hosts of the circus on showtime. mister gibbs, i turn to you first because it was thi

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. >>> hugo lowell joins me, political investigations reporter for the guardian, and professor melissay of nyu law school. she was a law clerk for sonia sotomayor on the federal bench before her nomination to the supreme court. and bob mcquade is here, there and prosecutor, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. hugo, i start with you because you were in the court from the audio and the reporting, i want to go through all of it. but i really need just to read for our audience again, to remind them, we are talking about the former president of the united states who is running for reelection. this is a gag order that stops trump from publicly attacking prosecutors, potential witnesses, and court employees. like, that is where we are. help us understand because both sides were very aggressive, what went down? what's in boot here? >> trump's attorneys were saying today that he had this absolute freedom to say whatever he wanted because he was in the middle of a presidential campaign. >> because running for president means you should aggressively attack a judge, a clerk,

and joining me now, hugo lowell, political investigations reporter for the guardian. hugo, welcome.ould trump's holiday rage post, could they get him into trouble? >> we it certainly will not help his case because he's trying to make the argument that, look, you know, there is no point to having a gag order because i should be able to criticize prosecutors, i should be able to criticize the civil fraud trial in general, and the case in general. but when he comes out and makes these kind of personal ad hominem attacks the judge in this case, justice -- and new york a.g., that's the sort of thing for judges will go, you know, this is starting to get into a level of kind of personal targeting and potential intimidation, and that's the sort of thing judges don't kindly upon. so, i don't think this helps his case. if you want to continue having -- about the case in general. >> well, you know on wednesday, -- new york officials tesirine say the gagorder. a public safety official said that threats against that clerk, increased exponentially, after trump lsely claimed the clerk was in a rel

and hugo lowell, political investigations reporter for the guardian. thank you both for being here. charles, i want to start with you because i'm going to read it again. i wanted to go back. i was thinking about going back during the problem to stop the problem and doing it myself. so obviously, donald trump believes that he had influence over the crowd. now, let me play you what convicted insurrectionist rioter steven ayers told the january 6th committee about when he would have left and why he would have left the capitol. take a listen. >> as soon as that come out, everybody started talking about it, and it seemed like it started to disperse basically when president trump put his tweet out. we literally left right after that come out. you know, to me, if he would have done that earlier in the day, 1:30, you know, we wouldn't be in this -- maybe we wouldn't be in this bad of a situation or something. >> it seems to me that he is essentially now admitting he had some control over the crowd. at least that's what he seems to be admitting. and he seems to be kind of corroborating what

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. >> joining me now, mario renati and hugo lowell. renato i'll start with you.a.g. fraud trial. what do you make of that testimony alleging that trump would have final review of a fraudulent document? >> very interesting, because ultimately at the end of the day, that is going to put knowledge in donald trump's head. this case comes down to these false statements and whether or not trump knew about the false statements used to mislead lenders. what's interesting is he was prepared to put the blame on mazars. he on direct examination was trying to say it was all the accounting firm, all these other people. it wasn't until one of the attorney general's team went up and cross examined him he actually had to admit, well, actually, myself and donald trump, we were the ones who were doing a lot of the fact checking when it came to the documents. >> hugo, mcconnie was a defense witness, which is mind boggling because on cross he made this damning admission under oath. there are some people say, isn't this much ado about nothing? because the judge already found fraud on

joining me, now hugo lowell, reported with the guardian. thanks for being here.dering your previous appearance says, what are your sources telling you about what donald trump wants to accomplish on the stand tomorrow? >> i think is less about what he wants to accomplish, and more about what he wants to avoid in terms of pitfalls. you know his lawyers are concerned about two things. one is evaluations, we saw our trump last week at tripped up a little bit on evaluations of things like mar-a-lago. is it a private club or is that a private residence? if it's a residence, then trump has been valuing that at a far greater figure than if it was a private club, remembers club, which he was representing into the tax authorities from the city of palm beach. then he'd get a tax break on that site. so he's going to be pinned down on fs1 or the out there, his lawyers are a little concerned about how that might come up, because they have a lot of public testimony beforehand, he's got a lot of depositions. >> this is a guy who's been pretty defiant. he has violated gag orders