host: we last set of hugo lowell. front page of the wall street journey. they say colorado is not central to trump's electoral prospects. a number of similar challenges have been filed in other states. they note that. colorado not central to his election. your question about what happens on the general -- and the general election is a good one. hugo lowell is with the guardian, a political investigation's reporter joining us on the phone. before we get to that question, break down the decision here. four justices says he's disqualified from the primary ballot, three disagreed. guest: i think it's important to remember we have a stay on this ruling pending trump's appeal. trump made clear he will appeal to the supreme court. as things stand trump will probably be on the primary ballot in colorado, which is the practical indication in all of this -- implication in all of this. the supreme court will certainly hear the case. the question in which order with respect to the other cases before it and how quickly it is going to rule. with the 14th amendment issue

host: we last set of hugo lowell. front page of the wall street journey.hey say colorado is not central to trump's electoral prospects. a number of similar challenges have been filed in other states. they note that. colorado not central to his election. your question about what happens on the general -- and the general election is a good one. hugo lowell is with the guardian, a political investigation's reporter joining us on the phone. before we get to that question, break down the decision here. four justices says he's disqualified from the primary ballot, three disagreed. guest: i think it's important to remember we have a stay on this ruling pending trump's appeal. trump made clear he will appeal to the supreme court. as things stand trump will probably be on the primary ballot in colorado, which is the practical indication in all of this -- implication in all of this. the supreme court will certainly hear the case. the question in which order with respect to the other cases before it and how quickly it is going to rule. with the 14th amendment issue t

joining me now is the guardian's hugo lowell, and catherine christian, msnbc legal analyst. i'm going to come to you, hugo, on these emails. say more. this seems to be an open conversation about putting who in jail? did they mention any specific names besides trump? >> there weren't specific names but i think it gives you an indication of the end game that prosecutors are envisioning in this case. i think several elements of this case are starting to crystallize. we're moving towards setting a trial date. we have an idea of the kinds of people that prosecutors are happy to extend plea deals to. that's the lens through which i see these emails. we're getting closer and closer to how these proceedings are going to unfold at trial and the pressure is ramping up on the codefendants who are think doing i take a deal, am i going to become a cooperating witness? at the end, if i'm convicted, maybe there's jail on the horizon. >> people who cannot try for a plea deal for giuliani, trump, and mark meadows. they don't have that option. their option is win or lose. >> that was the repor

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and it's a great one hugo lowell is here, political relations of esther for the guardian dave aronbergeira friend neal katyal the former acting solicitor general during the obama administration. he's argued dozens, i think fifth in total of the u.s. supreme court so he certainly knows what he is talking about. and i am going to start with you. neil, i was listening to andrew weissmann and just the last hour and gave what i thought was a very interesting and surprising opinion about jack smith's opinion today. watch this. >> this is sort of a win win no matter what the supreme court does in terms of -- >> wow! a win win. how big a deal to think this is by jack smith? >> i think it is a win-win. so look, there is a procedure in the supreme court rules and i've used it myself which allows you to bypass the court of appeals and just go straight to the supreme court if a case is of sufficient gravity and importance. and that's what happened stephanie in the president nixon investigation in 1974. the prosecutor wanted to subpoena nixon and the tapes and went on a fast track to the supreme co

tonight hugo lowell is here, political investigations reporter for the guardian, crystal greenberg, former federal prosecutor and former sdny criminal division deputy chief and jonathan carl, chief washington correspondent for abc news. he has a must read book out. if you haven't gotten your christmas gifts yet, he's got one for you, tired of winning, donald trump in the end of the grand old party. mr. carl, you know this man so well. what do you make of this detroit news reporting? trump's team is saying well, he was just acting in further ince of his duties as president. there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. what on earth was he doing? >> the allegations that were made in michigan were particularly absurd. allegations, massive vote dumps in the middle of the night, when you look at the results in michigan, trump actually did better in detroit in 2016 than he did, better 2020 the needed 2016. he lost the election in michigan because he did so poorly in the suburbs. but as far as this report from the detroit news, i haven't heard the audiotape. none of us here have heard the aud

hugo lowell, often a guest, here based on reporting during criminal investigations speech for debate refers to at least one vice president mike pence and representative scott perry's phone now. is this sort of indicating that mike pence may actually come and testify against donald trump? is that the surprise witness that he might refer to here? and what might be the impact? >> at this point mike pence will be no surprise he'll testify and i don't think he had speech or debate. i think is like eric swalwell and other people who were there at the time that this includes and maybe scott perry is well, though they are still wrangling over the phone. >> harry litman and paul butler, thank you so much for starting us off tonight. >> coming up, the push to take donald trump off the ballot succeeded in colorado, but fails in michigan. what it means for the election and what it says about the institution of guardrails in our country, next. >>> guardrails in our country, next. our country, next. >> hey everybody, w. kamau bell here. they say that america is the land of the free. but right now,

joining us in the studio former federal prosecutor kristy greenberg, hugo lowell federal prosecutor lawyer for the guardian. you go, let me start with you here. what do we know about this expert witness in this particular case? $900, 000, nearly, paid? what is he testifying about, and why was it worth that much? >> he is billing at an extremely high rates -- >> i guess! >> trump testimony is definitely build higher than deposition tone, yet it is an extraordinary number. although trump did get what he wanted. this professor got on the stand said, well, the financial statements war materially misstated. there were some errors, that was just an inadvertent error. i think trump got the testimony that he, effectively, paid for. >> okay. i think about 650 hours he claimed that he spent on this, mr. barr toffee. said it was equivalent to, what? three months of a 50 hour work week the whole thing is quite an storden airy. is it common practice for a defense witness to be paid this handsomely? maybe they charge more, to hugo's point, but this much? >> it is interesting. he says he spent 650 hours

i mean, i asked hugo lowell a couple minutes ago whether or not this would change the legal strategy how jump legal or the trump world's going to be doing this, but how does this change the political strategy for somebody like donald trump? >> well, look, in the short term, donald trump, this will help him in the primary. every time a normal court has a ruling, it seems to help him, which is absolutely crazy for me. but it is very true. on the long term, this plays exactly into the biden campaign narrative. what they will say look at the past month, meaning he admitted he would be a dictator. this weekend he talked about immigrants poisoning the blood of the country. now he is being thrown off the ballots because of his insurrection. do you really want to go back to this? is this what we, as a country, want to go back to? elections are about choices. this kind of moment, it drives a narrative that is very important politically. a guy who used to run presidential campaigns, i can tell you there are moments that voters wake up and say, huh, should i rethink myself here on this ballot q