commissioner huie, were you done? >> commissioner huie: just one more point.hat in the past what we've seen that graffiti and things like that have been dealt with, i'd like to say graffiti and specifically etching on windows and other types of vandalism because that's been a huge problem for us in the couple of districts that i'm apart of and i think we've seen that certain areas in the city get a much more punitive kind of response when it comes to graffiti versus other districts when you know in the richmond district, when we were hit with all sorts of things, i would say we felt pretty well supported in terms of like, you know, people could talk about it. we tried to put a drive together of all the different photos, the police were very supportive, like nobody really got hit with any fines or anything like that, but then speaking to other merchants and other neighborhoods, they were hit with fines right away when something happened and there was no conversation about it. there was no community discussion about how to support their business through this sit

commissioner huie, are you done? >> commissioner huie: yeah. i'm all done. thank you very much. >> president laguana: okay. vice president zouzounis. >> vice president zouzounis: if anybody else hasn't spoken yet, i'll let them since i've already gone. >> president laguana: go ahead and i'll have -- i just have a brief suggestion. but go ahead, i'll go after you. >> vice president zouzounis: thanks again for the discussion. in line with this conversation and i think going back to comments we've all made. what are going to be kind of the success metrics for this program or like the accountability tools to make sure as commissioner ortiz-cartagena says, it doesn't become an anti-loitering policy. because as much as brick and mortars, you know, do feel the pain from people who are not paying taxes, permits, and selling things adjacent to them, small brick and mortars and low income communities also are direct victims of anti-loitering laws and we've seen that and we -- and i think that maybe we can also keep in mind in terms of some of the creativity in this th

commissioner huie, were you done? >> commissioner huie: just one more point.e've seen that graffiti and things like that have been dealt with, i'd like to say graffiti and specifically etching on windows and other types of vandalism because that's been a huge problem for us in the couple of districts that i'm apart of and i think we've seen that certain areas in the city get a much more punitive kind of response when it comes to graffiti versus other districts when you know in the richmond district, when we were hit with all sorts of things, i would say we felt pretty well supported in terms of like, you know, people could talk about it. we tried to put a drive together of all the different photos, the police were very supportive, like nobody really got hit with any fines or anything like that, but then speaking to other merchants and other neighborhoods, they were hit with fines right away when something happened and there was no conversation about it. there was no community discussion about how to support their business through this situation. and i feel lik

commissioner huie. >> commissioner huie: i was really kind of nervous about tonight because this is a big night for us and i just -- i don't think i can, you know, really express how grateful i am to the amount of -- to you. like i'm trying to put it in words and it's one of the toughest things. i mean, i really want to thank you for welcoming me onto this commission. i really appreciate that you took the time out of your personal schedule to come and get to know me as a person and i think, you know, your support has helped me validate i think a lot of the things that i was kind of seeing and thinking about in my neighborhood and whenever i've brought it up to you, you would give me such sound advice and help me figure out how to like think through stuff so thoroughly and i think that has really helped me grow in this commission as well as just in advocacy and general. so that's just a very small, you know piece i guess of what i was kind of thinking about. i feel like i wrote down three words and i feel like, you know, your persistence has like -- it's so inspiring and it reminds me