viewer's perspective, it shows you there's no difference between, you know, tucker carlson and say hulk hoganstler. it looks like it's all entertainment and done for show and regardless of those journalistic ethics or truth, it does not matter to certain hosts at fox news. the problem is, there are good people at fox news and good journalists at fox news, but tucker doesn't want to be considered one of those. >> alyssa, again, tucker is not being sued for pretending he likes donald trump. you and i are not attorneys, but as somebody who worked in the trump administration, and the trump administration obviously worked hand in glove with fox, what's your reaction to what i'm saying right now? does this not -- look, i hate those election lies wherever they come from, certainly fox pushed them all. apparently, willingly. but this isn't really part of the case here. >> it's not. but i do think it matters. it just shows how craven the line was, and the motivations behind it. bakari mentioned, i think the most damning thing that's come out is this rupert murdoch quote, it's not red or blue, it's gre